To Buy or Not to Buy

aimzb

Shared on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 09:54
So I've been trying to convince my wife we need to start looking more seriously at buying a house in the not too distant future. We've been doing some looking here lately, but it generally ends with, "Oh wow! I love that house!" Nothing else. My wife is absolutely convinced we need to wait. I am dead set on us needing to buy one within the next 9 months or so.

The Details

The wifey and I have a significant amount of debt. Multiple degrees for me and an extra year in school for her= lots of student loans. Living 300 miles apart the first 6 months we dated (and her still in undergrad with no job and me still in grad school with a low paying job)= a lot more CC debt than I wish we had. In the last year we've paid off a personal loan, a car, and 4 credit cards. The wifey is convinced we need to get rid of at least another 50% of our debt before we even begin looking at a house. While I understand her point of view, I do not necessarily agree with it. Everybody knows the housing market is a mess. New home sales are off by 75% compared to last year. Home prices are plummeting. Interest rates are going to drop another .5% today. 30 year fixed mortgage rates will be around the 5.5% mark. I'm of the opinion that we need to strike while the iron is hot. Lock in to a low rate. Buy low and then eventually sell high. She is concerned about 1) not having enough in savings right now for a down payment, and 2) not getting approved for enough of a loan to get what we want. Number 1 I understand and agree with. But, we are in a position now where we can put ALOT away into savings for a month or two and have a significant down payment (if we cut back on the extra we pay on CC's and school and car loans). As far as number 2 goes, we won't know until we try AND the houses we have been looking at are not that much.
[ A side note... There is a very large historical district here in the town we live in which has numerous 100+ year old houses in need of repair and up for sale. We both have a great deal of interest in getting a house like this and doing a lot of the work ourselves. Some of the houses are selling for as little as $30,000. Granted, those houses will need around $80,000 in work done on them. But, that would be to make them pristine. $50,000 would make them nice and very liveable. I see a fun "hobby" and great investment- one house in that area that is 125 years old, 3500 sq. ft., and completely updated just sold for $277,000. Other houses we have looked at are out in the county (no outrageous city taxes) where home prices are lower as well.] She sees more debt too soon, with too many unknowns.

We both know we really can't and shouldn't do anything until close to the end of the summer as we are going to be out of the country for 3 weeks in May and June and don't need to buy a new house and then be gone for 3 weeks or be gone for 3 weeks, get back, and then buy a house. I am thinking we should be in serious talks about buying a house by September and ready to buy in December or January(the housing market always slows in the winter= best time to buy a house because folks will be getting desperate to sell with fewer buyers showing interest). She thinks we don't need to begin talking seriously until Fall '09 at the earliest and be very close to completely debt free, if not already there. I hate renting and think it borders on a waste of money. She sees it as something on the level of the electric bill- something we have to have and pay for using.

I know what you Dave Ramsey disciples will have to say about this, so please don't quote him in any comments you may leave. But, I am curious as to what the rest of you think. The opinions of my "gay video game buddies" or "little clan friends" will in no way sway the opinion of my wife. I have no illusions about that. But, I am curious as to what your opinions are. Is she right? Should I just cool it? Or, should I work harder to convince her that we need to buy ASAP?
Oh yeah, please don't bother asking about income or estimated payments or price range of houses or credit score or anything like that. I've already laid out plenty of personal financial information. Just tell me I'm right.

Comments

aimzb's picture
Submitted by aimzb on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 13:38
Thanks to all for the comments. After reading some comments and doing a little more research, I think I will probably back off a little on pushing my wife to buy before the end of the year. I am very much looking at this as an investment. Therefore I definitely want to wait for the market to truly bottom out to be able to buy as low as possible. In the interim, eliminating more debt never hurts. Thanks again for all the feedback!
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Submitted by J-Cat on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 10:03
I look at a home as "good debt". You wife wants to lower your "bad debt". But having a mortgage is actually a good thing IF you can keep upp with paymetns. Gives you collateral. Why keep making your landlord rich? Just don't get over your head: that will spell disaster. Being house poor is not good. Look: you are paying rent now, right? How much more will you be paying in mortgage? When my husband and I bought, it was not that much more money to own than rent.
dos's picture
Submitted by dos on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 10:15
u need a blog pic
RyanFromVegas's picture
Submitted by RyanFromVegas on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 10:21
Of course localized markets may vary and I have no idea where you live, but this housing thing is just starting. Many experts expect another 2 years or so of market woes at least. There is no rush IMO.
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Submitted by Caesar on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 11:16
the market to buy houses will be good for a couple years, trust me. no need to rush out and pick one up this instant. i thought the same thing about our house. our neighborhood avg was 160-170 we got our house for 142, it need a new roof and new windows and the basement needed to be finished, being our first house i was like oh it will be fun. well it was now its annoying, and the cost is retarded to upgraded things. we bought new windows right, 14 of them plus a bay window, 5 grand set back, new roof has ran about 5 with gutters and trim, and ive spent about 2000 on my basement and its still only maybe 60% done. so its expensive. now we thought about taking out a second mortgage to do the stuff, but our house wont appraise for enough to do that, cause the market is bringing the value down to much. so my advice would be to be patient and pay off more debt, in the end it will make it allot easier when you do get a house. so i side with the wife on this one.
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Submitted by Devonsangel on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 15:24
Bring your debt down farther. If you are hell bent on buying make sure you read the fine print and DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Push the pencil and include the mortgage and insurance and closing costs, etc. You may feel as if you are making your landlord rich but do not put yourself in a foreclosure situation.
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Submitted by SamuraiCoder on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 17:04
I'll take a counter approach to many here. If your debt is almost gone, you will not be in a good position. If you have no debt, the bank thinks that is because you can't take on debt and pay it regularly. They WANT you to show you can carry a certain amount of debt and make your payments. It won't cost you anything to find a good mortgage broker in your area and start asking questions. My aunt worked for a Realtor when my wife and I were looking for our first house. This Realtor was a big help in figuring out how much more of the credit card debt we needed to pay down.
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Submitted by UnwashedMass on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 19:04
I say throw it into a mobile home before you have kids, get a nice trailer/rv park and buy it. You'll have consistent income and if it starts to suck, you just throw the axles back on and haul ass for Mexico. :D And you're right, since you requested it.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 19:12
Aimz, your debt will be there until you eliminate it. It's never a poor choice to bring the debt down, in fact, it will aid you in a better rate when you find it's time to buy. I agree with the idea the housing market has yet to see it's real bottom levels. In a way your both right. That's the magic of marriage- finding common ground when making serious financial decisions.

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