Excellent article on the 2004 election

Wow all great comments , thanks people! For the most part i agree. In defense of the article and Kennedys approach, I think that we have a large scale denial in this country about how messed up and manipulated our election process has become. I think this is mainly because the media has refused to follow up and investigate claims and proof like that presented in this article and that our congressional leadership refuses to want to change it. That being said Kennedys article is seeking to shine a light on the issue and expose the ugly sickness. the first step to resolving a problem, to coming up with solutions to it, is to in-fact admit that there is one. You have to identify what is wrong with the system before you can propose how to fix it, and that i believe is the intent of the article. I wouldnt count on allot of change come 08 Wilderz in less these problems are addressed. If you accept the premise of this piece then there is little doubt that the powers in control will use the same controls and manipulations to maintain control. There is to much to loose at stake for them., power, job security, financial gluttony, and fear of accountability and possible prosecution. So your probably like, jeez your one depressing sob Bats! So whats the point!? The positive is that there is always time to change things. The longer we wait the harder it will be, but there is always the ability to force change. It happened in the revolutionary war, it happened with the civil war, it happened with the rise of unions and the labor struggle and it happened in suffrage movement for womens right to vote and it happened with the Civil rights movement. It takes awareness and anger at the injustice, which leads to protest and eventually legislation, but it all starts with knowledge and seeing the truth, and that is what Mr kennedy is try to help provide. As for Kerry, man Bob i couldnt agree more. I fought hard for that bastard Kerry, I gave money and i time and contributed to his challenge in many many ways. i believed him when he said that he would fight, that he would not let them steal the election like they did in 2000. And then folded like a cheap pack of cards. Even Edwards, in light of all the questions about Ohio and other locations, pleaded with kerry to at least wait and see what the immediate investigations showed. Folded, even in the face of the impossible exit polling reversal that is discussed in detail in the article. Just a shame, he let me down, he let all that tried to vote for him down, and he let the country down. So i agree with you on his spinelessness. I dont see his lack of courage however as a sign that the election was not stolen. I see it as a lack of character on his part and a fear that fighting it would have hurt his future chances to run. What a selfish sob!

I agree with ya Dman for the most part. I disagree that Gore didnt fight. Bush vs Gore went all the way to the Supreme court. The difference is that gore took it as far as he could legally, and then he showed respect for the rule of law in this country. If the shoe was on the other foot Im sure the republican congress would be trying to re write the laws to allow a win. Just like they are doing on the domestic spying issue. But thats a whole other can of worms :-) As for Democratic congressmen not fighting I also agree for the most part. Some have been, and some do, Conures, Waxman, sometimes Polosi,and Reid,but for the most part they all have no spine. The other problem is that we are witnessing what happens when you are the minority party in both houses of government, the white house and the Supreme court, nobody listens no matter how loud you scream. Again, my Blog, my opinion :-)

Nothing like a left wing lovefest Baymen, as they say, dont knock it till ya try it! :-) Hey welcome to my blog. All political persuasions are welcome. As long as they are civil, and dont threaten to try and kill anyone :-) Im impressed that you read the entire article! As for the election fraud and manipulation it documents being a "conspiracy theory" I only wish dude, I only wish. Not sure how you could read all the facts presented in that article and not agree that at a minimum, more bipartisan investigation is called for and at a maximum, that the election was stolen once again. ( 2000 is no conspiracy either if you ask me, that was blatant and straight up thievery) I am going to skip over the "swift boat" inspired Kerry comment, for two reasons. One, his heroism is documented and been actualized time and time again. The legend of his "lack of leadership and heroisim" are lies created by a political action group working for Texas GOP contributors. Second, I already agreed above with the claim that he didnt fight and wasnt a leader and made my case above. ( although correct me if Im wrong, but if he had fought the outcome wouldnt you be calling him a sore looser, a trouble maker. a whiner, and a million other condemning terms? Just asking :-) ) Now the Bill and Hillary claim.....Im actually going to agree with ya on that one too . Wholly shit dude we are agreeing waaaaay to much! . Then again maybe the far left and the far right are finally, through the destruction and incompetence of our current presidential buffoon, finding some common ground ! One can hope :-) Listen, it wasnt the "scream" that killed Deans run for the ticket, although they would like you to think that. It was Bill and Hillary and the rest of the entrenched Democratic leadership that undermined his grass roots rise. He repesented a change away from the current same old same old and established leadership. He was a bigger thereat to the Bills and Hillarys then he ever was to Bush. The sad thing is he was the perfect candidate for the rest of us. But thats another whole blog entry. But yeah i agree that Hillary and Bill are in charge and they are calling the shots for the democrats. Im sure they felt more comfortable with a run by Kerry then they did with some one like Dean ( although the fault in your claim, and in my support of it, is that my overall belief is that this article is correct and that the election was stolen. Which means that Kerry should be president and there by a incumbent come 08. Now lets put on our tin foil hats for real and start a true conspiracy train of thought. I always thought it was strange the closeness that Bill has tried to forge with Bush Senior since his leaving office. Working with him on fundraising for the Sunomi catastrophe, again on Katrina, A couple visits to the "compound" in Main and so on. Perhaps Bill has been making some deals with the Royal family as well. Knowing that the Clinton lead leadership could control Kerry and manipulate him, they made sure he was the nominee. Then the Bushes steal it, Kerry backs off, and Hillary runs in 08 against no incumbent. Ok everyone take off your tin foil hats now please, thank you :-) ) The Kennedys. I think this guy is different, he is not a politician. He isnt running for or planning to run for any office. He seriously believes in what he writes and talks about. So I say give each individual the benefit of the doubt, regardless of family name.( except Jeb of course :-) I happen to like the Kennedys, big surprise, but i understand the basic premise of what your saying. Lastly, Im glad to hear your disdain for Democrats is matched by your disdain for Republicans :-) Sadly that must leave you in a pickle in this country as to who to support. Essential, Im in the same boat even though I do support Democrats. And thats because really we are no longer even a 2 party system but a one party dictatorship. And to bring this little rant back around to the reason for the post, I am gravely concerned that due to the Election thievery outlined in the article above, we will remain a one part demagoguery way past my childrens time. BAT