"Hope You Enjoy Hell, Jackass..."

He11vis

Shared on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 11:12

"... say 'Hi' to Hitler for me." I often hear this comment directed at me after I explain my disbelief in creationism, the resurrection, the historicity of Jesus, my disbelief in Mary's virginity, the lack of fulfilled prophecy in the bible etc., etc., etc.... That of course makes me hell bound just like Hitler, right? But wait a sec!

What about Hitler's love affair with Christianity? He was an altar boy after all, he was very proud of his Catholic upbringing, he had "Gott Mit Uns" (God With Us) stamped on Nazi military gear, his Nazi Programme states "The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity.", he outlawed all forms of abortion, he put homosexuals in prison camps, he even talks in Mein Kampf of his deep respect for the clergy, and so on and so on ad infinitum.

I will even throw in a quote from Hitler - “We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Then the inevitable happens. I hear the "but he wasn't a true christian" defense. This is the lamest of the lame. My understanding of what it takes to be a Christian is that you need 3 ingredients: Belief in the Divinity of Jesus, Belief in Salvation through the Cross, and Belief in the Resurrection. That's it. Salvation is through faith alone, not good deeds. "It is not what you do but what Jesus already did." Any of this sound familiar?

I am sure you know the 'No True Texan' fallacy. (Yeah, Yeah, I know it is No True Scotsman but it's my blog!)

It goes like this:
Person A: No True Texan would ever vote for Obama.
Person B: I was born and raised in Texas and I voted for Obama. I have lived here all my life.
Person A: Then obviously you are not a true Texan.

This is a logical fallacy because the initial presupposition of both parties is that 'Texan' is understood as the generally accepted definition of 'a person born in Texas', but then Person A redefines the word after the fact to suit a more narrow definition that they basically pull out of their ass.

Within Christianity there are so many denominations that it is hard to tell whose version of real Christian is the right one. Catholics say Protestants are wrong, Baptists say Methodists are wrong, Pentecostals say everyone else is wrong. How the heck is a rational, thinking person able to figure it out? Are only good people real Christians? Well, that defies the basic principles listed above about the 3 ingredients. Actions don't determine your Christian-ness right? Works are simply fruits of faith, but not evidence of salvation. There are no Level 65 Christians and Level 1 Christians, you either are or you are not. Why should anyone believe that someone is "not a real Christian" based simply on one persons opinion? If they believe in the 3 magic ingredients then they are Christians, no matter how much of a piece of shit they are.

If non-believers have to take Pol Pot, Stalin, or Mao then believers have to take the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Jim Adkisson, the KKK, the Army of God, and the mentally disturbed creatures over at Rapture Ready.

BTW, non-believers can also take Ghandi, Einstein, and for Sundays in Hell they can take Tiger Woods. I hear the 9th hole at Beelzebub Pines is smokin'!
 

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TDrag27's picture
Submitted by TDrag27 on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 11:33
I'm curious. In what context do you find yourself going around explaining your disbelief in X, Y, Z things named above? Maybe I'm just Minnesota-Nice, but I usually only have conversations like that with close friends that will accept me either way and not tell me I'm going to hell. I've got a friend that is a super-atheist and I often tell him that he has more in common with street-preacher Christians than he might realize.
Deman267's picture
Submitted by Deman267 on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 11:46
lol.How come it's only JC that people have to NOT believe in to be labeled an Atheist?Like,aren't those that scoff at Odin,doubters of Rama,and unbelievers in Zeus also Atheists?We just go that one extra god further. :)
DrTHE0P0LIS's picture
Submitted by DrTHE0P0LIS on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 11:50
Wait, some deeply religious people can be close-minded and judgmental? Faith often requires an abandonment of logic and belief in things that you and I may find ridiculous? I am shocked. Shocked. In other news, Greg Louganis is gay and the snozberries taste like snozzberries. People are entitled to their beliefs, as long as they're not forcing them on me or openly attacking my own beliefs. I usually avoid this situation by not talking about religion EVAR since there are very few people capable of speaking about their beliefs without becoming irrational and hostile.
MikeTheKnife's picture
Submitted by MikeTheKnife on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 11:51
I thought 'Watchmen' was way too long.
He11vis's picture
Submitted by He11vis on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 12:25
Well, in the Bible Belt it is a different story. That name is well earned. Once folks find out you don't believe in their religion they take it as a personal mission from god to convert you. Minnesota must be a nice place to live. If you ever drive down this way you might find that Southern Hospitality only applies to certain groups. Mostly Gun Loving, Right Wing, Heterosexual, Christian Males (or really, really hot chicks).
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Submitted by JeepChick on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 13:41
@Mike, I agree, they could have cut out at least 30 mins of bluedongtime. I live in the Bible Belt, in a small town.. I can't say I've ever had anyone told me or my family we are going to hell. That stinks for you man, but your beliefs are yours. I don't think it's anyone else business to judge other's when it comes to religion. It's way to personal of a subject. Might was well try to judge people by what turns them on, or what their favorite number is. there are simply too many personalized variations.
happ's picture
Submitted by happ on Tue, 03/10/2009 - 10:54
Yup, you've summed up Oklahoma as well. I tend to be more agnostic than atheist, but you'd think I was sacrificing puppies to hear some people react to it. Add to the fact that I voted for Obama in a state that didn't have a single county go that way, and well, I'm in the minority here. Agnostic white liberal males in Oklahoma are rare and individual thought is very frowned upon. Usually, the people that are so appalled by my religious and political choices are the most ignorant and hypocritical people you could ever dig up. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

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