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Shared on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:05

So. I suppose I should just come out and say it. We have been having some issues with our wee girl. Wow... this is hard stuff to say. My husband and I think that Erica is the most fab kid... and we are not biased in the least. BUT to head Daycare talk: you would think that she is the most difficult kid on record. The facts please you ask?

1. Erica is 3.5 years old! Big girl!

2. Erica is smart: meeting (or exceeding) most milestones. She is crazy articulate. We reads (not memorizes: but spells out sounds and so on). Draws really well: last night she painted a picture of herself catching a frog in a net. Pretty big stuff for someone not in school. Can add.  Also really good at arcade games.

3. She plays well... with adults. She makes up games. Very imaginative. The other day she turned herself into Fly Swatter Girl - it's a super hero thing. Sang songs to make the flies come out. She likes to play games where everyone acts out a part. Anyway: excellent at interactive playing.... with adults. Another example: she always asks me to colour with her. "Oh Mom... that is beautiful colouring."

4. She has a sense of humour and tries to make Sean and I laugh... often. Very funny kid.

5. She is bossy as all get out. "YOU DON'T DO IT: *I* DO *EVERYTHING." is her mantra. Here is where things get sticky. She likes to do things (ahem... everything) by herself. And she gets very mad if you do it for her. Daycare sees this as an unreasonable adherance to routine. Example: they get her bear and blanket for her for nap: she throws a tantrum. "See: she can't have anything different." they say. I say "Strict adherance to routine? Fuck, we just moved, spent a weekend in a strange place (the cottage) and there is a baby on the way. She has never not slept, or thrown a tantrum cause things are not the same as at home. Meltdowns happen when you do something that she can do for herself." Seriously: this kid has deal with huge change like a damn pro. But if you do something for her that she wants to do herself... Look out.

6. And another toughie: She doesn't play/interact well with other kids. This is sticking point #2. Plays (and interacts) really well with adults (see above). Not so much with kids. Doesn't want them touching her. Or scaring her (she's a bit timid sometimes*) or whatever. She will play briefly with other kids if prompted. She is getting better at playing side by side. But she either plays alone or with adults (or older kids I suppose). It's odd to see other kids her age: having little converations: sharing etc. Erica is off by herself. She is happy.... but doesn't care for other kids. This *may* be na indication of a social delay. Or is she an introvert? Or shy? Or hates the other kids?

OKAY: So now the diagnosis from the non experts at daycare: PDD. aka a form of autism. Why?  They think she is routine bound and socially delayed.

How have I been handling this? Not as well as I would have liked to. First I am hormonal, and this would have me in hysterics some days coming home from daycare.

Second: You read so much stuff on line. One day I am convinced that there is something wrong with her. The next day I am thinking she is fine. It's like going on Wed MD to look up that banged up knee and coming out thinking you have rectal cancer (Holy shit: I DO have wakeful nights every once in a while... maybe it's brain trauma!!)

The worst is the snarky remarks from her daycare provider. Most of them are great, but this new one (Jen) just seems to bring up all the really bad stuff all the time. Some of the other daycare workers aren't like that. Candice (for instance) would tell me about all the fun that they had, and once took a picture of Erica and Karrah doing a puzzle together. Said that I would be SO happy to see that (and I was!) Other daycare workers will mention how fun she is, and how she makes them laugh.

Mind you this is a fine line to walk. If there IS a problem, then we want daycare to be vigilant and to let us know when things are going wrong. We don't want them to censor if there is a problem. Like I said: I don't want them to ignore a warning sign if there is a problem... but... a little bit of education is a dangerous thing. Let's just way that if I posted the criteria for autism every single one of us here would have SOMETHING on that list. And Jen has said some really hurtful/ignorant things ("Erica  has no empathy" is one... which is bullshit... Erica cried at a song about a little boy having a bad day. And kids at that age DON'T express empathy the way you and I do.)  

So what are we doing? I don't pick up Erica from daycare anymore... I drop her off so that I don't have to deal with them. Sean picks her up. It's better this way now: I can't be getting as stressed as I have been over this.

What else are we doing? Shelling out big $ to get her assessed by a child psycologist who specializes in autism. Oh: This is actually round #2. The first "round" was way back in October. We (sean and I) did a survery through ... I forget: Children's hospital or something. They also had input from daycare.  The result "Not autistic: Doesn't qualify for help through the hospital" and didn't even get past "go".

but for somereason, daycare keeps bringing this stuff up. And I waffle all the time: Is there something wrong? Will she be okay? Am I getting my jopes up seeing only the good stuff and ignoring the bad? Are we just shitty parents? On top of everything, this has us "wound around the axel" so that we don't *really* know how best to discipline her. Is it okay that she wants to do stuff by herself. Should we accomodate that to a certain extent, or should we push her away from that? No one knows, because if she does have a form of PDD: I am sure you discipline differently than if she is NT (neurotypical).

Anyway: This already feels better coming out like this. And yes: I havne't been on line in a long time. Too much stress at home. But like Sean says: Baby will be here AND assessment will be complete in a 5 weeks. No matter what, knowing what (if anything( is going on with Erica is better than not knowing. And once we know: Sean and I are one goddamn excellent team at getting shit done once we have a plan of attack. It's this not knowing what to do that has us stressed.

Oh: and if you are Canadian: Sean is still in the National Post under "Down Goes Brown". The day he runs out of ideas in this uneventful offseason I am supposed to go into labour to buy him time. See? Teamwork.

* The kid caught a millipede this weekend. Gave me the screaming heebie jeebies.

Comments

pyro13g's picture
Submitted by pyro13g on Tue, 08/17/2010 - 12:32
WTF, Jen would have ate her teeth (at least in my dreams). My money is on her being just fine. I'd trust the Dr. before daycare and take what Dr. says with a grain of salt so to speak, if not an Introvert friendly sort of Dr. Introversion gets more and more recognition and understanding as time passes. If you do have a strongly Introvert child (highly gifted, etc..), you will probably be told she has every mental and social disorder in the book at some point in her life. If she is Introverted, her daycare provider is hurting her, not helping her. I used to get a little bit of that from the daycare. I resolved it by asking they only talk to me about broken rules, or to call me if sick or hurt. If you want to see how she really reacts to make your own assessment, then request permission to hang out, unseen, so you can observe. A 3.5 year old is supposed to have Empathy? Empathy to what? To other kids?(LOL) That's a tough concept for many adults. I bet she shows some to mom and dad though. She's obviously different than most of her peers. she as well as mom and dad are gonna catch flak over it because "different" always needs "fixed".
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Submitted by zorbs on Wed, 08/25/2010 - 20:49
If you were hot more people would care.
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Submitted by S44money on Tue, 08/17/2010 - 16:39
Hey JCat - just getting back from vacay so catching up on all your blogs. lol Ok so I'm going to say this and I hope it does help! My roommate/bestfriend, her name is Kristina, was EXACTLY like your daughter. Right down the very same social skills & independence qualities your daughter possesses. As it turns out Kristina is brilliant, she has a higher IQ compared to most individuals and now works for the Gov't. Of course get her checked out by the professionals but I really do think your daughter is just her very own and does not want to conform to the way how ppl think she should be. In my mind...good for her!
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Submitted by chlyh2o on Wed, 08/25/2010 - 01:16
this is what the family structure has become these days, both parents working and somebody else doing the job a parent should be doing in the first place. Hell even good ole grandma is better than day care. Everyone is too wrapped and too analytical about ohh your child has this or your child has that. Just let kids be kids, quit fucking trying to pigeon hole them with some "syndrome" . This shit reminds me of resltless leg syndrome.. Fuck that, how many bunk ass commercials do you see about it any more? I shake my damn leg all the time but I dont need some bogus pill hat some greedy money hungry pharm company has dreamed up. Again let kids be kids, sociallpeer groups dont usually come into effect till about 5-6 anyways.
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Submitted by LuxDraconis on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:35
HOLD on. they are claiming Erica has Aspergers? have you showed them the youtube stuff of her? Listen both of you. 3 years old is to early to get a clear call on any autism, so relax. Enjoy your little bit of joy in midget form.
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Submitted by DavidLee on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:43
There's a reason people work at a day care center, and it's not because they're too altruistic to be doctors. Your kid sounds fine to me - I'm not a doctor, just a parent. You sound like a great mom. Relax.
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Submitted by Crimson_Bear on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:49
Hey J-cat, There are a few things you wrote that I can relate to. My daughter is an only child. My wife and I are educated professionals. We've never spoken to her in "baby speak". As a result, and her having inherited her Mom's IQ ... our girl is linguistically gifted. (God I hope that's a word!!) Our duaghter relates better to adults than she does children only because she is ahead of children her age when it comes to conversational skills (and has for years). She relates to children ... but finds it confusing when children her own age don't respond to her when she strikes up a conversation (she gets that from me!! The conversation thing ... not the confusion :) ) I'm not a "Not my Little Jonny" parent. If my daughter is doing something at school (going into 1st grade this Sept) I want to know about it. But be careful! Society wants to put labels on people in order to prescribe the appropriate meds to alleviate the symptoms. We've gone from "Boys will be Boys" when I was in school 30 years ago to ADHD because the teachers have too many kids in the class and can't capture and retain the kids' attention all day (criticism of the system not the teachers!!) They get bored and daydream or do stupid things to amuse themselves. Kids do what they see their parents do. They seek their approval and want to please them every chance they have. I'm not a medical professional ... but I bet dollars to doughnuts your daughter gets her independents from watching you and your husband act and interact ... much like my daughter talks to every stranger that crosses her path. We forget sometimes that they are little people who have personalities ... likes and dislikes. Just because she "doth protest" doesn't mean she needs Dr. Phil! Good luck with that ... and the new one too!
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Submitted by erinroxyfox on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:50
My ex boyfriend has a son who sounds quite a bit like Erica. Luke's teachers suggested the same sort of things to him, and they had him tested. It turns out that he's just an exceptionally bright, articulate, willful child who doesn't see the point in following rules that clearly were designed for unintelligent people. (Well, he's 8 so I guess he's just questioning why the rule exists if, to him, it seems ridiculous.) He's a wonderful little boy with a bit of a mischievious, unruly streak, but terribly bright and creative. Not a thing wrong with him. The testing was stressful but the sigh of relief we felt when we got the results was definitely welcome. Do what you think is right, but your daughter sounds just fine to me. What a great kid to be dealing with all these changes so well!! :) I completely understand your panic, hearing what these people are saying. Deep breaths. Maybe no wine for you though. ;)
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Submitted by Arvind on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 11:00
Maybe the other kids in your neighborhood are just assholes and she recognizes it.
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Submitted by Lbsutke on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 11:13
@Lux..3 is not to early to diagnose Autism or conditions in the Autism spectrum. My son has PDD and was diagnosed just over the age of 2. Marcy, it really does not sound like Erica is suffering from PDD. She sounds like she is just very independent. With that being said, it will not hurt to talk to your peds doctor and see what they think. Social interaction or lack there off does not mean the world is coming to an end. She just needs to learn to interact with other kids and that will only come with time and Erica being exposed to other kids. She does need to understand that she needs to listen to the day care people and that throwing tantrums is not the way to do things. If you have more questions let me know.
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Submitted by TANK on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 11:15
Dude, fuck your day care. I'm so tired of 'professionals' trying to give kids everything, ADD, autism, wtfuck man, they're kids they're not perfect, they all are in development. it doesn't sound to me me like your kid is autistic from what I know of autism but i'm no doc either. Kids are like dogs, if you have a puppy and you don't have it interacting with other dogs, it too will become antisocial. Our dog is like that because we don't have any friends with dogs and she started biting people so we stopped taking her out to the parks. I'd say you just need to get some playdates going or something, let Erica play with kids in her environment. She may just be shy.
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Submitted by moesley on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 13:16
daycares tend to want to pigeonhole kids if they don't "conform" to their lame-ass idea of how a kid "should" behave. if a kid is bright and finds the daycare educational activities boring and doesn't do them, they get labelled with a learning disorder. if the kid is a little shy and doesn't want to interact with the other kids or has problems interacting, then the kid has a social interaction disorder. what it basically boils down to is your kid may take a little more energy to deal with than the other kids, and THAT'S the real problem. some of these people want all kids to be exactly alike, pliable little sheep they can herd about and make do cookie-cutter activites so they don't have to actually expend any more energy than they absolutely have to. i'm gonna hafta side with tank here j, f*ck your daycare. your kid sounds perfectly fine. maybe not normal, cuz she sounds too smart and independent to be "normal". it sounds to me like you have one lazy-ass employee at your daycare who resents your kid needing a little more time and energy than the other kids.
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Submitted by hilskie on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 13:27
It sounds to me like the Daycare people are the ones stuck in a rut. holy cow, i loved it when kids wanted to do something by themselves instead of me having to do it for them...more power to the kid! It also sounds like the daycare people want time away from the kids...so...they stick them together to play or do something, thus getting some down time...but Erica likes to be around the adults...why? Because they are articulate and she's used to that having been the only child for a bit. I really think that once the baby comes...and she interacts with her little sibling more, these "social" issues will start to be resolved. I do agree with lb, throwing tantrums no matter what, is never acceptable. It sounds to me like she wouldn't throw the tantrums if they listened to her and let her do the things that she can do herself. Keep your chin up...you and Sean sound like you're on top of this...you are doing the right things for her!
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Submitted by Fetal on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 16:17
as the much older brother of someone who has aspergers i can say 3 is not to old. my brother was diagnosed when he was 2. as for your child...it doesn't sound like autism at all. your child has no speech problems(the opposite it seems) learns fairly quickly and sounds like she digs playing games that have objectives to them (flyswatter girl). i don't know if there is anything wrong with her (i doubt it) but i do know she sounds nothing like my brother was/is now. (i'm 13 years older than him. i remember when he was that age and his behavior)
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Submitted by Rask on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 17:30
Is this Jen girl perhaps working her way through University in a Psychology degree? Kids are all different. Don't let the misguided opnion of one person bother you.
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Submitted by Foxytrot on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 17:56
Oh J-Cat, my heart goes out to you and your hubby...and Erica. My daughter has a serious mental condition but the school persistently mis-diagnosed her. Once they told me she was hyper-active and would not be permitted back to school until she was on Ritalin or I had a signed letter from my doctor that she did not require Ritalin!!! So, at 5 I trotted her off to my family physician and got the letter. Can you imagine not letting a child go to school unless they are drugged. My daughter could sit and play for hours with her Barbie dolls. Could lay on the sofa and watch a Disney movie content and singing along quietly. Hardly hyperactive. Then they tried to say she was ADD and then it was something else - I had to spend years battling for her with the schools. But here was the difference - I did know there was something wrong. My daughter didn't cry when she her diapers needed changing, used to try to tear her twin brother to pieces in a brawl (pretty bad when you have to pull the littlest off the bigger because she is so vicious he is afraid of making her more angry by defensively hitting back), she didn't have a sense of humour. Just didn't get jokes and if she watched a video and you asked her to tell you about it, even if she'd sang the lines to all the songs....good luck...her version was totally different. I day cared for a time. I am not a child expert. I don't presume to be. Even ECE does not make one an expert on complex health and mental issues. You should NEVER be afraid to question the creditials of the person making an accusation against your child. Just because Jen has her ECE doesn't even mean she is fit for being around children. It is simply her opinion. Her negativity towards your daughter may have no more strength to it than she simply doesn't like your daughter. Just don't click. For your daughter - who knows how she feels under Jen's microscope. You cannot and should never try to hammer a square peg into a round hole. Your little girl sounds precious. Have you talked to her about why she doesn't spend much time with the other kids? Could be she finds them "babyish" and it could be she is an imaginative child who is just more content playing on her own, her own way, without interference. I think you should pick up your daughter and if Jen gives you attitude, take your daughter in one hand, put the other on your superbaby belly, raise you nose slightly so you have to focus your eyes downward and say "I am sorry, what are your qualifications again?" and see if she dares to snivel that she has taken what? Child behaviour classes? Your child is a child, not a textbook. Then just flip it off with "Oh, is that all" Hahaha. However, I would talk to Erica about finding a more appropriate way to handle not getting her own way as opposed to a full fledged temper tantrum. Perhaps just crossing her arms and explaining "I appreciate you doing that for me Ms (insert name here) but I am not a baby and prefer to do things for myself, thank you." Yeah - your teaching her a line but it gives her a focus and empowerment without the fit. I babysat, I day cared and I parented - we really do frustrate and made kidlets mad because WE don't get it. Erica may be going 0 to 60 because of us, not because of her. When you get the good results back - make sure that daycare knows you are done using your child as a guinea pig to Jen's whims of creative thought and if it persists you will be sadly compelled to remove your child from the centre.
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Submitted by Bonecollektor on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 20:53
The truth is: Daycare workers are full of shit. We have...had a friend of ours that owned a daycare and our daughter attended her daycare from about 2 mo's on until she was a little older than 1. This lady used to be our friend but, after our daughter started to attend her daycare all of a sudden this bitch became a so called "authority" on child care. AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE KIDS OF HER OWN! These people read,listen to, and see so much garbage I think they like to self deem themselves professionals because they have some sort of need to try and fulfill. I'm not sure if it's some sort of "hey look at me and how much I know about children so you should feel safe and trust me. oh and keep paying me to watch your kid." Or it's just that they are used to handling kids that all act the same. I think it's easy to assume that your own child is special and unique but, sometimes this IS just the case. Our daughter was miserable at this daycare because they weren't challenging her at all. They just wanted to stick her in with infants. Which was understandable given her age but, she was fully walking before 9 mo's along with a bunch of other milestones (conversation, problem solving, etc..) shortly after. She was even ready for potty training before 1 yr! They were trying to tell us all kinds of crap because of Mariska's attitude and lack of interest in the other kids her age when all she wanted to do was be in the big kids room. We pulled her from that daycare (fuck that bitch) and placed her in a in-home daycare (which we love) and our daughter has flourished! She gets to interact with all different types and age groups of kids. So, like I said, the truth is nobody will understand your child like you do. If you really felt like something was wrong you would know it. I wise and powerful man once said " search your feelings, you know it to be true."
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Submitted by zombiekitten on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 21:42
i was a lot like your daughter as a kid. At family gatherings, i either stayed talking to the adults, or i was off in a quiet corner reading (reading books about history or science). I never liked other kids. I always preferred the company of the grown ups. I don't know your daughter and obviously can't 'diagnose' her through one blog...all i'm saying is, i read your blog and the things that they decided were 'wrong' with her were normal to me and many other people i know. Some of them are lawyers and doctors now...i'm just sayin. i also know someone who has a child who was diagnosed as autistic. He was shuffled from home to home for a while, because his biological parents are both drug addicts. So he was a bit of an introvert, and this led 'the specialists' at daycare to diagnose him as autistic. I think it's a term thrown around too often by people with no medical background. If your child is intelligent, quiet, or different, there's got to be something wrong with him/her. BULLSHIT. Like several people before me said, not every child is the same. And that doesn't mean there is something wrong with them.

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