Uh-oh. The JayCat's dander is all up

J-Cat

Shared on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 18:19

My panties are in a knot. Whatever.

Listening to Maj Nelson's podcast about enforcement activites on XBL. The panel did a great job until the last question. The question was: is there any way for a user to identify sexual harrassment on XBL. The answer was "We would love to have more granularity for all different types of offences: racist, homophobic or sexual harrasment, but can't right now."

Now I get it. The question was REALLY a two parter: First: can we identify sexual harrassment on XBL? (answer: nope) The second (unsaid) part was "If we can identify sexual harrassment, will XBL take this into account in any enforcement action?" (answer: we don't identify sexual harrassment, so we can't do anything about it). And I also get XBL's answer: the UI is too tough already, let's not complicate things.

But I am POd for a few reasons. 1. The answer was brushed off. Sexual harrassment was lumped in with racism and homophobia. And we can't do anything. So PFO. 2. It seems to me that much of the time racist and homophobic remarks are not actually thrown at minorities or homosexuals. But I could be wrong.  It's tough to identify someone as being from a different race or sexual orientation by a tag and a voice. Whereas as soon as I open my mouth: everyone knows I'm a chick. I not only get the BS, but it IS personal.

And some of the sexual harrasssment is beyond the pale. It's guys asking underage girls to perform sex acts. It's guys sending pictures of their junk. It's guys stalking you from tag to tag. Along with the stupid remarks. And the not so stupid remarks. Telling a girl you want to hold them down and rape them means something to a female.

Maybe it's tough for guys to understand. Examples: I was told to never enter an elevator with a lone male. Were you guys ever told that? I remember being a kid and my Mom stopping us from going into an elevator with a single guy. It stuck with me. I don't like to answer the door at night. And I won't do it if I'm alone. That one got me an odd look from my man last night. He had to answer the door and accept the flowers meant for me. (oops). Now: don't get me wrong. I am not afraid of men. I went to Lan all by my big girl self. But once I left that bottle of rum open on the lan table: I didn't drink from it: more out of habit than out of fear. One guy asked me why and I said "I just don't drink from open bottles" he thought for a moment and nodded. "Never thought of that."

And maybe that 's the thing. Maybe guys don't think of that. Women don't live in fear: but we do have to think of things differently. And I just don't think XBL cares.

Comments

TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 09:01
Thanks sic...now I need eye bleach.
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 18:47
I hate it when guys send me pictures of their junk. I feel so inadequate. On the serious side, you make a lot of good points. Maybe get enough "girls" to bitch and M$ will listen? I kind of doubt it. Maybe get someone in the press to do a feature? M$ might actually respond to bad press.
Caesar's picture
Submitted by Caesar on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 19:03
i remember playing halo 2 matchmaking a couple yrs back with phreaks, and after we won phreaks said good game and the guy went on and called her the c word and a couple other choice words, all because they lost to a female. im not so shocked anymore on what i hear over xbl, as yrs of halo mm kind of makes you go numb to it. you almost expect it after games. anonymity seems to turn people into monsters, im curious why ms doesnt see this as an issue, maybe because no one has really pushed for it yet. there is a harassment feed back thing, but i dont know whats under it.
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Submitted by Lbsutke on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 19:09
I think part of the issue is freedom of speech...no matter how ill the intent of the words or phrase... It is what allows the klan to say what they want to, religious extremest to say what they want to, and yes punk ass little bastards on xbl. How are they supposed to determine when something is over the top? I completely agree if some cockless punk says he is going to rape you, he should be gone, mac address banned, credit card banned, completely and totally banned not to mention he should be donkey punched by Brock Lessner... But at the same time someone could have the same reaction to being told, "Hey you sound cute, can I have your email address?" Is the meaning anything near the same thing, absolutely not, but what gives M$ the power or authority to determine what can be said by anyone? I just think it is difficult for them to come up with a plan or program to work this out..
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Submitted by J-Cat on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 19:14
@LB: I don't mind people saying shit... well i do but... how do you justify stalking a chik? Or teling a 12 yo girl that you want her to suck yer junk? THAT's the type of shit we get... all the time
TDrag27's picture
Submitted by TDrag27 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 19:32
Anytime I've been harassed by something on XBL, I've bypassed the feedback system all together and PM'd someone with a banhammer. I've always been taken care of quickly that way. As far as Maj's podcast, I'd have to listen to it myself to decide on how to react to it. However - harassment is harassment. I'm not sure it should matter what type.
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Submitted by kevtek17 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 22:39
I think people should record this stuff and post it online to let people hear. Public humiliation might help to a certain extent, but if they are stupid enough to go down that road, they probably don't care who hears it.
ninja_dawg's picture
Submitted by ninja_dawg on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 23:49
Nice posting - this is the kind of behavior that prevents my wife from getting near the xbox, and makes her hate it altogether. Speaking to someone in the way you describe here is not just a violation of TOS, but criminal acts. Yes, it is easy for someone to misuse the complaint category or to intentionally misrate someone, but patterns always emerge, and MS should have a better system for protecting its members. Otherwise, what do we pay them for?
sicrik's picture
Submitted by sicrik on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 07:00
The only person to ever send me naked pics was Mike James :)......seriously. And I felt Harassed as hell, and no amount of anything can undo the horrific images of MJ straddling his sofa, and the disturbing images of him waggling his tounge with what I hope was pudding on it. Yes everyone share with my horror, picture it in your mind.......and stop. :):):):):) SERIOUSLY
madwoman's picture
Submitted by madwoman on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 07:41
Yes, they should do something. I think the problem is in determining guidelines for banning for racial/sexist/whateverist comments and views. Not that they shouldn't attempt to - it just puts them in a sticky situation. Laws prevent them from actions against a person for speaking there mind. Anyone remember the stink about someone commenting on a certain persons sexual orientation? I don't recall anything coming to light over that situation. The problem isn't with XBL so much as society as whole. Where did these kids get these potty mouths? Why do they feel they can say this? Where is the respect? A friend of mine in the past few years has finally given his son reign to XBL. Now, I've played with him, dropped in on his XBL chat with his "timmy" buddies (yes they can be immature) but never have I heard him single any player out, make fun of them, or say foul crap. Is it cause he knows I'm listening? Is it cause his dad is sitting right behind him on the couch? Maybe. Point is, I know this kid to be respectful of others and I don't (hope) he wouldn't stoop so low. We can restrict these asshats with bans, but it still doesn't solve the real problem. The asshats themselves.

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