To save or not to save?

Mandingo

Shared on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 17:40

The big 3.

 

Over the years the big 3 automakers have dug themselves into a hole that now threatens their existence. As you probably know, they are petitioning congress for at least 30 billion dollars to keep their doors open through April of 2009. We could flesh out the topic of our legislative body acting as a payday loan office, but why don't we save that for another day.

At this point the overhead of the automakers is crippling. Consider that the average salary, including benefits etc. is somewhere in the range of $75/hr. That is a staggering figure, compared to the nation wide average $28.50/hr and to Honda's $43/hr. Their current situation is also based on poor managment and planning and a sub par selection of product based on the current market. This in and of itself is an interesting predicament since the Clinton/Gore administration had stepped in to create some growth and incentive with the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles, a program to help B3 develop high-efficiency vehicles. But then again, a billion is just chump change these days right?

 

Some people may point at the failing economy and assume that the automakers are simply a product of a poor sales environment. Yes, the economy is weak but growth is still possible. Consider this: an early 2008 study shows the B3 losing nearly 38,000 jobs by 2011, meanwhile those would be offset by a projected 38,000 jobs CREATED by foreign auto makers.

American Airlines went through bankruptcy in 2002, which came with some Federal help to the tune of 5 billion. This was a huge savings over any bailout though. If the Government goes down the slippery slope with this check then the B3 are destined to return in a few months with their hands out again. They claim that 1 in 10 jobs in America is connected to them and that their failure will destroy the economy. This is a little far fetched, espeically sine they will still be able to operate through a bankruptcy process. Why not allow them to go through the process and slash their costs and negotiate their debts? Cut the crap brands, pontiac, mercury, saturn etc. Allow the court system to over rule the crippling UAW and get them back on track?

Mitt Romney didn't mince his words when he said that "you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed. Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check." The premise being that Detroit needs to be save from itself.

And lastly, how about a merger? Isn't that how the rest of the country works? The small and weak are bought by the large and powerful? Why should Detroit be spared from these same market forces? Newsweek compares this situation to the Boeing/ McDonnell Douglass takeover in '97 and Wilbur Ross and LTV steel in 2003. A purchase that say 17 steel companies shrink to 3 within 2 years and go from a 1 billion loss to a 6.6 billion profit during that same time.

So now I'll put the question to you. Bailout or no bailout, why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

millfire517's picture
Submitted by millfire517 on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 18:18
let nature take its course, they will file bankruptcy, have to renegotiate contracts and then they can get in a system to where they will be profitable again. as of now the contracts with uaw and any one else is costing them profits. if we bail them out now, and nothing changes on their behalf they will be doomed to repeat this again.
MikeJames's picture
Submitted by MikeJames on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 18:41
I say yes to the bailout......someone the other night made a good point. This would not only affect the auto companies, it would affect all the companies that have people working for them such as the plastic companies, metal companies, tire companies, and all the way down the line. Would a downfall of the big 3 cause a depression, You're damn right it would....My thoughts on this have been mixed, but if you take a deep look at everyone that is really involved......it kinda opens up your eyes a bit. MJ
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 18:48
I think I'm with millfire. The cars the big 3 currently make will not just disappear. Other companies will fill the void and the support companies will adapt. Will it be painful? Yup. Very. But the end result of massive government debt will be worse.
RyanFromVegas's picture
Submitted by RyanFromVegas on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 19:52
I think it depends on a more fundamental assesment of our strategy as a country. We grew to power as a manufacturing economy. China being the main economy that threatens to overtake us is a manufacturing economy. We have transitioned to being a services driven economy which likes to think its still a manufacturing economy. (Hence our banking industry gets bailed out without questions or caveats) The main question is weather that transition was a mistake or not. If it was a mistake, we should bail them out and actively rebuild our manufacturing sector as a whole. If it wasnt a mistake, we should admit to ourselves that we dont care about manufacturing and let them go and move on.
Armorsmith76's picture
Submitted by Armorsmith76 on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 20:01
If you give a heroin addict money for their next fix, they just keep using. On the up side, they avoid all the nastiness of withdrawal and having to change their ways. This will hurt lots of people (many innocent) in the short term, I don't think it will be quite as bad as the auto makers want you to believe ( they wouldn't exaggerate to scare folks into giving them money would they?) but it is what's best for the country in the long run. I don't trust them with the money anyway, I say, put down the needle, and deal with the unpleasant business of getting better.
Lusetti67's picture
Submitted by Lusetti67 on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 20:36
Good time to buy a classic car : )
shred1's picture
Submitted by shred1 on Sun, 12/07/2008 - 23:28
Mike put down the crack pipe.You of all people know the bailout just prolongs the inevitable.

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