Halo3, Orange Box and tasers - oh, my!

NotStyro

Shared on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 11:33
Phfft!

Finally finished the Halo 3 campaign on normal. Some improved graphics and maybe game play over Halo 2, but not as refined as I would have liked. A few glitches were noticed, like within the last two missions you get off a transport with the arbiter, the spiker & brute shot the chief had been carrying had been replaced by the BB-firing assault rifle. Then after a hundred meters the game suddenly switched back. Well, at least it switched back - earlier in the game the weapons you had were switched back to default load upon entering a base or ship. I was carrying that load for a reason - they worked, I would have liked to continue to carry those weapons. Testers should have caught those bugs and glitches.

Orange Box is being released today! Five games for the price of one. Half-life 2 with two expansion packs, Team Fortress 2, and Portal. I decided to just finish Halo 3 and buy Orange Box when it is released. Today is the big day and I ran out to the nearest big box store (CC) to get my copy and - it goes on sale after 2pm!

WTF?!?!? 

Not only do console players have to pay a platform premium, but we also have to wait over 14 hours from the PC version! Farking unbelieveable! The downloadable PC version was supposedly unlocked about midnight. Strangely the store I visited (CC) didn't seem to have any PC versions out for purchase, so I wonder if any more delays have been added just to push the online distribution. Sorry guys, but even if I wanted the PC version I would have bough the box. Physical media beats backups any day.

A relatively local newspaper, the Sun-Sentinal, published an interesting article on the use of tasers by Fort Lauderdale Police officers. Not being a newspaper known for journalistic integrity, editing & proofreading or including relevant content, this article is actually better than most. The article details some of the people and circumstances in which a police officer decided to use a taser to subdue a citizen. And yes, questionable uses, or abuses, are listed.

Such questionable uses, or abuses, or a taser by police officers are - firing at fleeing or retreating citizens, shocking a pregnant woman, subduing the mentally ill and breaking-up fights. 

Now as some of you may know, I tend to hold very civil rights in very high regard. I refuse to recognize the charge of 'resisting arrest without violence' due to the charge being over-broad and, apparently, prone to abuse. 'Fleeing & evading' may also be another abused change, largely depending on the circumstance and whether a vehicle was involved.

That being stated, I find use of tasers by Fort Lauderdale police to be uneven for, supposedly, highly trained officers.

Take firing at fleeing or retreating citizens. I have long known that one doesn't shoot another in the back or is fleeing/retreating. In a home invasion/burglary situation you will be arrested as well as any suspect (should s/he survive). In fact if the suspect makes it across an outside door threshold, you may be charged with [attempted] murder for trying to defend yourself, your family/guests or your property. And then I could go into how dishonorable and cowardly it appears to fire at someone that is retreating or fleeing. I hope those officers were soundly chastised by their commanders & fellow officers.

The other controversial issue was shocking the pregnant woman. At reading the first page it would seems she was just being belligerent to the officer. Poor choice, but certainly nothing for a professional & well trained officer to make an arrest over (pending a threat of physical violence toward the officer, his/her department, or his/her family). Well, reading the second page, is the 'meat'. The officer wanted to arrest the woman, supposedly due to driving issues, but she wouldn't get out of her car. So he reached in to the car to pull her out and then shocked her when she started to defend herself. Go figure. Instead of containing her in her car and using reasoning, the officer got physically abusive. No doubt the officers attitude was helped by her verbal abuse, but still - profressional & well trained officer. Hmm.

The other items appear to be acceptable use. Shocking the mentally ill that are causing harm to themselves. Sounds fine to me. If you want to commit suicide - fine, just don't try to make it into a public performance piece. Bringing attention to yourself is not going to help that task go any smoother. And the police tend to think Baker acting you is better than getting someone to clean-up the mess. Interestingly, I think just the opposite, but different strokes and all...

As for fighting - an officer has the clear ability & training to defend him-/herself, as well as fellow officers and uninvolved/defenseless citizens, against potential harm. Hit or physically harm a police officer, other than self-defense, and you go straight to jail/prison. It should also be that way with all emergency personnel - firefighters, paramedics and ER nurses & doctors.

Enough about that. Time to get some chores done then go find an Orange Box.

Comments

Raider30's picture
Submitted by Raider30 on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 21:14
Wow. I so do not even know where to begin with your latest Styro. The only reason I'm even going to respond to this is so that people who read your blog will know the correct version of things rather than, what appears to be your obvious misstating of the facts to support your anti-police sentiment. So lets get to it: " And yes, questionable uses, or abuses, are listed." Every use of the taser mentioned in the article was within the policy guidelines of the police department. Therefore it is erroneous for you to lable them abuses simply to support your personal opinion. "Now as some of you may know, I tend to hold very civil rights in very high regard." You may hold them in high regard but your lack of knowledge about them is appalling. Its unfortunate because you might endanger yourself or someone you care about one day because of this lack of knowledge. I've already covered the complete lack of a right to resist an arrest - even an unlawful one, so I'm not going over that again with you. "I have long known that one doesn't shoot another in the back or is fleeing/retreating" Please tell me where you came by this knowledge. The fact is you are totally incorrect with your above statement. I can off the top of my head give you 3 reasons why you could/would shoot someone who is fleeing or retreating. 1) Studies by Dr. Bill Lewinski out of Mankato University in Minnesota(I believe it was Mankato) have shown that often times when a subject has been shot in the back the officer actually made the decision to shoot when the subject was facing the officer. The time delay from the cognizant thought to shoot being made and the physical reaction of pulling the trigger give the subject time to spin around, thus when the trigger is pulled the subject has presented his back to the officer. This same time delay is also what stops the officer from stopping his finger from pulling the trigger. Thus on its face it appears the officer shot a subject in the back intentionally when in reality that is not the case. 2) You are allowed to to shoot a fleeing subject if you have probable cause to believe that subject poses a significant threat of physical injury or death to the officer or others. 3) Retreating subjects: If the subject draws a gun, fires at you, and then retreats backwards to a position of cover - by your reasoning an officer would be unable to return fire because the offender was moving AWAY from them. Ridiculous. "In a home invasion/burglary situation you will be arrested as well as any suspect (should s/he survive). " You are again incorrect. If someone invades your home - in most states you are allowed to defend yourself from harm. Please note I did not say you were allowed to use deadly force to protect PROPERTY. In fact you are not. However, you may use deadly force to protect your person. In Des Moines, IA last year an elderly woman fired a shotgun blast through her window that lead to a fire escape at a person who was attempting to break into her apartment. The subject was later found a short distance away dead. The woman was not charged. Rightly so. "I could go into how dishonorable and cowardly it appears to fire at someone that is retreating or fleeing. I hope those officers were soundly chastised by their commanders & fellow officers." Again you fail to look at the alternatives and what tool in the police toolbox will safely allow the officers to take a subject into custody with the least amount of damage done to the subject AND the officer. I find it cowardly and dishonorable to lob insults at a group of people who day in and day out put themselves in harms way to protect those who can't/won't protect themselves, while you sit and do nothing to further educate yourself on the realities of what they go through daily. "The other controversial issue was shocking the pregnant woman...So he reached in to the car to pull her out and then shocked her when she started to defend herself." Why do you misrepresent what actually happened in this case? Oh, I know why - so that you can present your side of things in a manner skewed towards supporting your misdirected dislike of the field of policing. Christ, even the article you linked to clearly states that the subject only let the officer know she was pregnant **AFTER** she was tased. Why would you lead your readers to conclude that the officer intentionally tased a pregnant woman? Why wouldn't you tell your readers what really happened? What really happened is this: "Officer initiated traffic stop when susp failed to stop for stop sign.Susp refused to stop vehicle. Officer was finally able to make contact with susp & she began yelling & swearing at officer. Refused to produce D.L. & related paperwork. Susp refused to comply with officer's orders. Susp continued to refuse swearing & yelling. Susp then placed under arrest; refused to exit vehicle, offcr physically removed susp from behind the wheel. Susp began to resist officer, hitting him, pulling away & screaming. Officer deployed taser, def was warned at least twice that she would be tasered. After she was tasered she adv officer she was pregnant. Susp was medically cleared at BGMC." Quite a bit different than your version Styro. I would plead with you to open your mind to your bias's and please try to educate yourself with the knowledge and resources that are out there. @Dastard: I'm unaware of states that allow you to shoot someone fleeing from your property, having commited a property crime against you. Generally speaking, as I mentioned above you are not allowed to protect your property with leathal force. Nor are police officers, again generally speaking, allowed to shoot, with a firearm, a fleeing felon. For a more complete view of the "fleeing felon' rule google: Tennessee v. Garner.
Devonsangel's picture
Submitted by Devonsangel on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 12:01
Styro: I can appreciate your stance in giving people the benefit of the doubt but..having been in the position of being well trained and professional, there are some people who won't be reasoned with. If they decide to not comply and it's a stand off. you can't wait them out until they decide to do something. I would ask that before passing judgement on the local law enforcement, you walk a mile in their shoes. Attend the citizen training if they have it.
Onesimos's picture
Submitted by Onesimos on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 12:18
Sometimes it is in their best interest to quickly end a situation and ask questions later. Especially in the case of domestic dispute calls, where the victim can suddenly lash out at the officer after the abuser is being pulled aside for questioning or arrest.
Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 12:41
The obligation to resist an "unlawful" arrest is rooted in English common law, which is the basis for much of our current legal system. The doctrine is actually that you may resist an unlawful arrest including by use of violence, however, if you kill the arrestor during the process, the charge of murder is only reduced to manslaughter. Kind of interesting that even under common law there isn't a get out of jail free card. However, most states have overturned this doctrine. I think Wisconsin was the most recent to have a supreme court case testing the argument that you may resist an unlawful arrest. I wouldn't bank on any court supporting your action. As to shooting people in the back...There are a number of states where a person is allowed to shoot a person running from a scene if it is done to protect their "property". So when the neighbor runs off with your new drill, bang! LOL. Ok, seriously, there are actually States that allow this (typically out west) however, I think the insurance claim and "upgrade" process is better. :)
NotStyro's picture
Submitted by NotStyro on Wed, 10/10/2007 - 12:50
@Devonsangel, I understand some of the difficulties involved in being a police officer. But being able to be patient and trying psychology & reasoning to calm an emotionally disturbed person should be the first response, unless there is a credible threat of violence while being detained/contained. If you have an unruly & belligerent child that fails to comply with your orders do you start beating the kid, or do you try speaking calmly & quietly to achieve cooperation? Option two takes a bit longer, but generally works more in your favor. @onesimos, you would taser a domestic abuse victim that lashed out?! Wow. Tough. Depending upon the situation and urgency, calming both parties and moving the victim away from the attacker then interviewing both separately should be a priority.

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