Searching for an Honest Man

SoupNazzi

Shared on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:39

I'm disappointed. I should have expected Congress to do the usual self-serving action, like they did. But I had hoped the Senate would follow the road of the House and defeat this bill.

It isn't needed. It doesn't bail out "Main Street". It only bails out Wall Street. Let these banks fail. Let these companies declare bankruptcy. It's the natural order of business. Those that make mistakes and take risks, are either rewarded or penalized for them.

These companies wouldn't just simply disappear. They'd be absorbed by companies that didn't take the risks or make the mistakes. It's economic evolution. Only the strong survive.

Would it affect our economy? Possibly. But, did you know that our economy is still growing? (Link)

Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
Current Numbers:
  • 2nd quarter 2008: +2.8 percent
  • 1st quarter 2008: +0.9 percent

 

Yes, it is a bit weak, but it is still growing. Compare this to the Great Depression (which many of our current politicians are comparing this to). Economic output in 1932 had dropped 45% and unemployment was 26%. In the present day, economic output is actually up, and unemployment, while a bit up, is only 6%.

But, instead of doing something for the common good of the common man... Congress instead went ahead and did what was best for Congress and the companies who lobby Congress.

What should have Congress and the House did instead? Well, instead of bailing out companies that made mistakes and took risks (and are doomed to repeat those same mistakes since they know they'll be bailed out now), Congress and the House could have moved to help "Mainstreet".

Helping people who are struggling with sub-prime mortgages and are in danger of being foreclosed on would have shored up the roots of the overall problem. Sub-prime mortgages and the banks and companies who invested in Mortgage Based Securities are at the root of this current "crisis".

Instead of bailing out the companies, how about bailing out the people? Yeah, a lot of these people probably shouldn't have been given a mortgage, but by bailing them out, it would strengthen everybody directly affected by the MBS melt-down.

By providing tax breaks, deductions, and whatever else that would help these people get back on their feet, would create a domino effect.

How? Well, to put it simply, providing relief to these people would help inject instant liquidity into the markets. A foreclosed home has less value then a regular home. By reducing the foreclosure rate, the values of homes would not decrease, and would possibly remain stable, which would allow a lot of people a chance to refinance into a more stable mortgage. This would help shore up the balance sheets of a lot of banks and companies, and give them time to sort out the MBS mess. Two simple regulatory tweaks would also help towards this. Suspending "mark-to-market" accounting rules and a temporary easing of capital requirements would have shored up balance sheets.

But wouldn't bailing out the common man teach the same lesson as bailing out Wallstreet? Meaning, people would expect to be bailed out? Possibly. But the government would have to stipulate that the bail-out was a one-time deal.

Also, even though the bail-out would primarily help those with sub-prime mortgages, the chances of these people still going into foreclosure would still be high. But, economic evolution would still be in affect, and survival of the fittest would cull out those who aren't responsible enough for a mortgage, and those that should have never been given a mortgage to begin with.

Anyways, none of that has happened, nor will it happen.

As such, the title of this post. "In Search of an Honest Man."

I am quickly becoming a fan of Diogenes because of the above mess our Government has / is creating.

Diogenes wandered around ancient Greece with lantern searching for an honest man (or woman). What most people don't know is why he went searching for an honest man when he believed, as a Cynic, that there was no such person.

Diogenese was witty, rude, and had little respect for authority. For example, when Alexander the Great rode down to visit Diogenes in his barrel (yes, he lived in a barrel), he offered Diogenes any gift of his choice. With a scowl, Diogenes snapped back his response: "What you've taken away, you can never give me.

"Huh?" said Alexander

"You're standing in my sun."

I am fast approaching the same conclusion. Our Government is taking away something I don't think they can ever give me again. Hope.

There is no such thing as an honest man.

Now, excuse me while I retire to into my barrel.

Comments

snakemeister's picture
Submitted by snakemeister on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:59
I'm not an American, but if you've got space for one more in that barrel, I'll take it.
MikeTheKnife's picture
Submitted by MikeTheKnife on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:16
I feel like I'm Narcissus because I'm f-ing hot
XValue's picture
Submitted by XValue on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:23
the GDP may be in the positive, but the Debt/GDP ratio is growing at a staggering pace. http://zfacts.com/p/318.html If the US let these firms fail, there would be a trickle effect that would bring down the entire financial system, that can't happen. They may be bailing out firms for making risky deals, but it was the regulators who didn't do the due diligance in the first place to put a stop to it. Plus, the number of $700b is the problem. The actually netted out figure will be in the mid $50b level once the fed can sell these securities.
CrypticCat's picture
Submitted by CrypticCat on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:24
Yes, there are honest people, the trouble is that the person who's looking for them usually looks too far away from him/herself to see what's near.
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:33
I love the graph. Tries to make Bush and Regan look bad while making Clinton look like a savior. The only reasons the debt went down under Clinton was 1) dot com bubble and 2) Republican congress forced spending cuts. Of course, then they got high and went on a pork spree, got booted out of office to be replaced by Democrats who claimed to be there to reign in spending, who then had to suspend their own rules to go on their own pork fest. But then, the rise under the Democratically controlled congress is blamed on Bush (and Lieberman) . Bullshit graph.
rumbagod's picture
Submitted by rumbagod on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:48
welcome to the bastardized version of the US of A. i want my alternate universe back.
XValue's picture
Submitted by XValue on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:49
im Canadian, so I ignored the division lines on the graph. If you look at the actual 'line' you will see that d/gdp is creeping up near 60%. That is not good, regardless of your president.
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:19
X - absolutely true. I'm just convinced it would get better under McCain. A democratic congress combined with a democratic president who likes to spend $ is not a good thing.
XValue's picture
Submitted by XValue on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:26
Whoever gets elected (and I dont know enough about them to comment) needs to spend money - They just have to spend money on infrastructure IN the US to create jobs and grow the economy, not on a war in another country. You can't go into a thrift savings mode just because your tits-high in debt. Money has to be spent to be made.
millfire517's picture
Submitted by millfire517 on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:33
i say fire evryone of them dumb fuckers in office and make the next few who run take a iq test, and a criminal background check before they can run. plus i would outlaw or shoot lobbyists who ruin this country for their own gains. and i would give all of them a paycut, make them pay for their healthcare, and make them provide their own transportation. as far as the ceo's in charge of the failed companies, id prosecute them and seize all there property and sell it to help finance the 700 billion dollar bullshit plan. as far as barney frank and chris dod, they should resign, be prosecuted aswell.
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:36
X - minimal argument, but you are correct that we need to (primarily) grow out of the problem. The spending that concerns me is on new national obligations (cuz' god knows they never go away), creating new agencies for this or that, and tossing in new taxes that supress growth and cause companies to put assets in the Caymen Islands, and topping off with some anti-US trade regulations ala Pelosi and her insistence on blocking free trade for US Companies with South America. Our government already spends tons. We do need to be selective as to where we spend the limited funds we have. Borrowing more money from China so we can buy more shit that China produces is not helping the U.S. (hence your comment about spending the money here). And while $ has to be spent...it doesn't have to be the governments money. Create the appropriate business environment and companies will grow without government help.
XValue's picture
Submitted by XValue on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:46
bubba - well said.
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:57
Thanks X. And I won't hold it against you that you are a Canuck. Just look out for all of my relatives in Manitoba. :)
TheDastard's picture
Submitted by TheDastard on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:48
I don't completely agree, but you have many good points. However home ownership for poor people is a failed social engineering experiment. Home ownership is costly and takes a lot of work. It also locks you into a variable cost (if you include maintenance) "investment". If you are poor, it restricts your ability to adapt to changing economic conditions...i.e. move to a cheaper rental property or move to where there are jobs. Instead you are locked in and if you cannot sell, you loose everything. Bad investment. The government should only take strep to keep the credit market from seizing up. Business loans and credit are critical to a companies operation. But buying crappy debt? That is how fannie and freddie created this mess, by making a market for crap. The government shouldn't coompound that mistake and we should quit this American dream of home ownership myth...for some people it is just a bad idea.
keelanos's picture
Submitted by keelanos on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:57
You feel like you're Diogenese, I feel like I'm Sisyphus seeing bad government repeat itself over and over and over...

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