Hard vs Soft Diplomacy

Teufelhunden11

Shared on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 07:56

 

So, I’ve been negligent on blogging about the presidential elections. I could come up with a spin and say that I have been wisely waiting for some of the turbidity to clear up, but it would be just that, a spin. Truth is that I have been trying to clarify my thoughts and maintain a modicum of fairness. Admittedly, this is very difficult for me, partly due to a few facts….first off; the war on Islamic Jihadists is to me, the most important aspect on which we need to focus. That being said, it is my belief that we need to let loose the dogs of war. We have to quit treating this as a police action and accept that it is a war. War is an ugly thing; it is the point in which our society shows its darkest side. It is also responsible for our freedoms, our success and our safety. Regardless of whether you might feel the war in Iraq was justified or not, I think that what we need to focus on is the fact that we are there and we need to finish it. We need to finish it in such a way that when we leave we never have to come back, and in such a manner that creates a chance that we have a true ally in the area. If we leave prematurely, according to General Petraeus, we will undo everything we have accomplished there. That would not only be unfortunate, not only would it demean the sacrifices of great people like Cpl Jason Dunham, Sgt Rafael Peralta, or many more. It would be catastrophic for us.

Sun Tzu wrote:“So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will fight without danger in battles.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
”We would all agree that if we can utilize diplomacy rather than war, it is better for all. The problem is that in order for there to be diplomacy, there has to be a common ground between the warring factions. That is “soft diplomacy”. “Hard diplomacy” starts with the concept that one never negotiates from a position of weakness. That is to say, you do not engage in diplomacy until you have your foot firmly planted on their throat. I prefer the latter, but accept that there are situations that call for the first type (USSR/USA diplomacy of the 80s). So, going back to the soft diplomacy concept vis-à-vis the war on Jihadists, where is the common ground? Can we find one? Let’s start with the previously mentioned Sun Tzu quote…..our enemy is not Al-Quieda, or the Taliban, or

 

Iran or Hezbollah or Hamas. Our enemy is all of the above and all other factions that espouse the Jihadist perversion of the Islamic faith. In that version of Islamic faith, the starting point is that all infidels (that’s us) should either be:

a) Killed

b) Enslaved or

c) Enslaved and converted.

That’s it. To them, there is no other choice. That is what is called an impasse in negotiations. From that fundamental stance, there is no opportunity for common ground…unless we are willing to be enslaved or killed by the Jihadists. So, logically, hard diplomacy (if any diplomacy at all) is the way to go. Additionally, looking at the culture of our enemy, tells us that they view talks of treaties and peace as weakness from their enemy. In their mind, it is all or nothing. You can tell this mentality through their tactics (different from strategy). There isn’t a much clearer statement of “all or nothing” mentality than strapping a bomb to your chest. Applying a very basic version of “know your enemy”, tells me that there is little to no room for negotiations. It tells me that one of the biggest mistakes this administration made was not informing our populus of what our enemy was like, and what tangling directly with them meant. If the Administration had explained to the populus and its representatives that tangling directly with Jihadists meant a loooooooooong commitment to action and it required operating from the “take no prisoners” mentality, the Administration would have discovered that we, as a society, lack the stomach to carry this out. Commitment??? Have you checked our divorce rate???

Another fact that makes it difficult for me to maintain an objective viewpoint is the fact that I believe in Democracy and Capitalism. It makes 100% sense to me that given the fact that 97% of us depend on a company or corporation for our employment and income, that if the company or corporation is paying less in taxes they will be able to maintain their doors open and afford to pay us more. I also believe that we, the employee dictate our worth. We do this through our work ethic, our education, our business savvy. I also believe that the government that governs least governs best. It is also obvious to me, that 99% of the programs that the government runs are jacked up beyond belief (Medicare/Medicaid/ Social Security ring a bell?). I believe that lower taxes on both the corporations and the individual promote and stimulate the economy. I believe that increasing taxes on either is detrimental. I believe that hand-outs are bad, as they create and encourage a dependent atmosphere between the people and its government. Let us remember that ours is supposed to be a government Of the People, By the People and For the People. That does not describe a dependant relationship. It describes government is there to serve US, not to CONTROL us.

In short, voting for a candidate that does not understand the difference between strategy and tactic, that does not recognize that the “War on Terror” does not have a geographical border, that socializing anything is the wrong answer, that “the surge” worked, that our Military Strategy has been since after WWII built around the concept of being able to fight a war on two fronts, that there are times to talk and times to just destroy your enemy, is an impossibility for me.

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Deman267's picture
Submitted by Deman267 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 14:41
Yeah well.....Limbaugh used to be relevant. Actually ,I just read this piece of sci-fi alternate history kind of thing..... http://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-Tom-Kratman/dp/1416555455 You'd probably like it.It's over the top,too.
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Submitted by ekattan on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 08:30
Iran is Israel's problem. They are a major threat to Israel not the US. This is Israel's war. The US has been fighting Israel's wars for many years now, and what have they given the US in return? They didn't even permit the US in Israel for the invasion in Iraq. The US is too far into debt to start spending another 20 billion in a war with Iran. Far worse the experts have pointed out that if war with Iraq breaks out a barrel of oil could easily be worth up to $400. Second Iran and Iraq are no threat to the US. Since the beginning after 9-11 it was clear that the Taliban had always been in Afghanistan and it's been found out that the funding was actually laundered through intelligence agencies in Pakistan. No the Taliban have sought refuge in Pakistan. Third, no army in the world could ever mass up in hundreds of years t ever become a threat to the US. That is why billions are spent every year to always keep the military light years ahead of the rest. This means that anyone who acts against the US will be destroyed. The only way the US could falter is from within. With overspending and by social economic collapse, which is a realistic scenario right now. So let's put our gun-ho attitude to rest right now and figure out how to get the fuck out of this trillion dollar deficit left by George Bush junior. Then we bomb the shit out of the world. ;)
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 08:36
ekattan: I wasn't focusing solely on Iran. If you re-read the entry, I mention that the war on terror has no geographical boundaries. And you're right we need to focus on the deficit, but not by trying to include 20% of the 700 billion to go to Acorn, as the Dems tried. And it's GUNG-HO ;D
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 08:36
ekattan: I wasn't focusing solely on Iran. If you re-read the entry, I mention that the war on terror has no geographical boundaries, would it be clearer if I said "Geopolitical" boundaries?. And you're right we need to focus on the deficit, but not by trying to include 20% of the 700 billion to go to Acorn, as the Dems tried. And it's GUNG-HO ;D
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 08:37
ekattan: I wasn't focusing solely on Iran. If you re-read the entry, I mention that the war on terror has no geographical boundaries, would it be clearer if I said "Geopolitical" boundaries?. And you're right we need to focus on the deficit, but not by trying to include 20% of the 700 billion to go to Acorn, as the Dems tried. And it's GUNG-HO ;D
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Submitted by Automan21k on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 09:16
Teufelhunden, I agree with you 100% of the way.
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Submitted by Baine on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 09:30
Thumbs down for to many words.
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Submitted by ekattan on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 09:38
I'm pretty sure GUNG-HO was a character in Gi-Joe. :)
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Submitted by TANK on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 09:45
I think we need to re-call the dogs of war and concentrate on the home front issues for a while. There is no reason to be in Iraq, never was... still isn't. The Al Quaida aren't there, they're across the border in Pakastan and coming into Afghanistan apparently, so why are we still in Iraq? Why did we go after Saddam (not that he's a good guy but..) and not Bin Laiden. We don't need to be fighting other countries wars. I fully agree with getting Bin Laiden's head on a platter but in 8 years he's magically this little sand troll has been able to stump the best military and the best intelligence agencies on the planet. It makes absolutely no sense. But for me, i'm tired of the war nonsense while the home front is falling to shit. To me the #1 issue for the next 4 years should be looking after ourselves which means not spending billions of dollars occupying a country that we had no business going into in the first place.
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Submitted by CrypticCat on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:16
It's not true that the fundamentalist thinkers in the Islam merely wants to kill or enslave. Enslavement is not even an option in the Islamic faith, as every man makes his own decisions which are solely between him and Allah. No man can tell another man what to do, think or how to behave, that's why we muslims have the Qu'ran, which gives us GUIDANCE on how to live our lives the way Allah would like us to live it. It's nowhere written in stone, and adherance to the letter or the spirit of the Qu'ran is again solely between the reader of the Qu'ran and Allah. Also, killing infidels is totally warped as a view. If that was true, I wouldn't be on a site with American (more or less) Christians (more or less). Also Infidels is not a muslim word, it's the hollywood word. We refer to people not of the muslim faith as those who don't understand. The Qu'ran teaches to be patient and to kindly show those who don't understand the true face of Allah for as far as we are able. The lable Infidel is a judgement, and an every-day muslim will never judge another man, for by doing so, he takes a seat on Allah's throne and speaks in Allah's stead. No man in the world is qualified to do so. Not a single soul, be he muslim or a worshipper of chickenshit. The trouble arises from a souriah that appears quite early in the Qu'ran, that states more or less the following: "Should you find those who don't understand, endeavor to make them see, to make them understand, with words, kindness and patience. Should they however, prosecute you, take up arms against you and attack your villages, it's each muslims holy duty to crush them, for this is the will of Allah, who is great and just." However, this text dates back a century or two and should no longer be applied to the current situation, which alas does get treated as a truth set in stone by those who read the Qu'ran as the only and whole truth. For them, they're carrying out Allah's will. They truly believe they have tried to make the world understand, and have gotten war in return. Unless one of the sides breaks the spiral of conflict, this will not be resolved in our lifetime. Yes, it's fundamentalist victim thinking, and maybe they have a point, maybe not. I don't know it for certain. They have a point in what happened in Former Yugoslavia, though. I saw that with my own two eyes. The point I'm trying to make is, it isn't so black and white as you make it out to be. As a muslim myself I'm a bit taken aback that you appear to share my person with the fundamentalist people of my faith. And with me, milllions of other muslims who have families, jobs and normal everyday worries. We're are not all out to destroy the world, and most of us even work hard to make it a better one at that.
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:47
Cryptic, please go back and re-read the post...you will find this: "Our enemy is all of the above and all other factions that espouse the Jihadist perversion of the Islamic faith." I specifically refer to their belief as a perversion, a distortion of the true Muslim faith. So, no, I was not piling you in with them...unless you share their view, which you have expressed you do not.
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:07
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Submitted by Deman267 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:20
We need a forum to discuss these important issues of the day......What would we call it...hmmm..oh wait ...nevermind.:) Just busting your stainless steel cojones. What ought to worry you is birthrates. Compare the average birthrates for Muslims vs. non-Muslims and factor in a culture of "tolerance".They'll bury us all by force of demographics.We can't solve THAT problem by military force alone.We'll need some "soft"diplomacy too.
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Submitted by Teufelhunden11 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:24
Deman: I know many here will recoil at the mere mention of this name, but Rush limbaugh actually did research on what you just brought up. Estimates show that by I think 2020 Europe's largest population will be Muslim....

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