It's a mag, not a clip! (and how to tell the difference)

frozenground

Shared on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 19:49
ok here's a small rant of mine.

During the game I never mention this and usually let it slide altogether, but all too often I hear things like "I dumped a whole clip into that guy" or "dammit my clip was empty" or something similar. I have heard this since my first days on Xbox Live. I have heard airsoft commandos say clip when referring to their ammo source, for years I have heard the term used in movies and on tv, and god knows I've heard it behind the gun counter way too many times. I am not sure where or when in our culture that the terms 'clip' and 'magazine' became interchangeable, but it was obviously before my time.

Here's the thing. No modern automatic firearm uses a 'clip' to feed ammunition. No firearm depicted in COD4 or RB6V or GRAW or even Halo for that matter uses a clip as a source of ammo. I will illustrate the technical difference and the reason why not momentarily.

Now the reason I hardly ever mention this is because it's usually more trouble than it's worth and honestly I really don't give a shit how non-gun people want to refer to the source of virtual ammunition for their virtual gun in their virtual shooter simulation. Besides, I know what you are thinking.. 'what difference does it really make how I refer to the thing that holds the ammunition in my gun anyway? If we both know what I mean when I say clip then who cares?'

Well probably no one. Especially today when any distinction between the terms seems to have lost any meaning and most people just think that they are interchangeable names for the same thing. But the fact remains that you are calling something by an incorrect name. Imagine if you worked in a computer assembly plant and everyone except the hardcore computer geeks always referred to RAM as ROM, and when you try to correct them they always say something like 'well it's the same thing', or 'doesn't matter you know what I meant' or 'who cares' ... Yeah it's pretty much like that.

What saddens me is the actual gun owners who don't know the difference. In my not so humble opinion, gun owners who take a 'who cares' attitude about it obviously don't care enough themselves to be educated about their weapon or how to properly call out the parts of it. To me that says they don't care enough to be educated about the safe handling and responsible use of their firearm, and don't take such things seriously. There are other 'tells' also, but this is a big one.

So for the greater edification of the 202p community I present the difference between a clip and a magazine :D


A magazine (or mag) is an enclosed metal or polymer box that houses a spring and a follower to allow the ammunition to stack under pressure in order to feed the rounds one at a time into the chamber or firing mechanism. The original term for the mags used in most modern automatic firearms was detachable box magazine, because they could be removed from the gun and replaced with another. This revolutionized the process of reloading your weapon since you could remove the empty magazine and replace it with a full magazine. Much faster than trying to reload a magazine that was non-removable, or a part of the firearms receiver. Yes, there is also a magazine that is non-removable. A common example would be on a bolt action hunting rifle (standard Rem model 700, non removable mag etc ). Some other common examples would be a standard SKS pattern rifle, or a Remington 870 or similar style pump shotgun. The magazine is there, but it is a part of the action not designed to be removed during the reloading process.

A clip (or stripper clip, or en bloc clip, or half-moon clip etc) is a formed metal or plastic guide that holds loaded ammunition, but it IS NOT enclosed and DOES NOT contain a spring or a follower of its own.
A clip is most often used to load ammo into a magazine or cylinder. But it is the magazine or cylinder which then holds the ammo and feeds it into the chamber or firing mechanism of the weapon. A clip can be used to load ammunition into a magazine, and if that magazine is a permanent part of the firearm then yes in fact you would use a clip to reload the magazine that is on your gun. But unless you are running around with an revolver or M1Garand or an SKS, you won't be carrying clips you will be carrying MAGS!

Here are some pics I took to illustrate..






Both of the devices in these photos are used to hold 5.56mm ammunition. But ONLY the device on the left, the mag, is used to feed the ammunition directly into the chamber of the firearm. The device on the right is a stripper clip and is used (along with a guide device) to load the ammunition into the mag quickly (not as quick as a LULA but thats another story ;) ) Suffice it to say, clips are rapidly becoming obsolete as the industry comes up with new and more efficient ways to load magazines quicker, but even so there will always be a need for them because of the ol codgers with their wheel guns and Garands.

(no offense of course, I love the old timers, and the Garand!)

Anyway, hope that helped somebody out there understand the difference between the two. At least now I can just link to my blog instead of trying to explain ;)




*EDIT* ok for the fun of it I searched the terms clip and mag on youtube and found this vid by DVDtracker that explains the difference better than I did :)

Comments

frozenground's picture
Submitted by frozenground on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:07
shorter and easier than saying "mag"? trust me I've heard em all ;)
meemoos's picture
Submitted by meemoos on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:14
Dooh! I did NOT know this...thanks Frozen, I will (try) never 2 say C L I P again.
zerocd's picture
Submitted by zerocd on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:21
and knowing is half the battle!
CyberWolves's picture
Submitted by CyberWolves on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:22
Damn,! What do you know, you can teach an old wolf new tricks! I always love learning new things. Thanks for the info :)
SixTGunR's picture
Submitted by SixTGunR on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:26
Wow, I knew this...but I never realized I didn't care, until now. But, I have to say it, I do get bent out of shape when weapons are referred to, or used, incorrectly in the movies!!! -Sixty (An X-Gunsmith/Armorer turned Network Guru)
frozenground's picture
Submitted by frozenground on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:34
one of my favorite experiences was when the new Sportsmans Warehouse opened here in the valley last summer. I walked up to the gun counter and asked the guy where they kept the Glock mags. He looked at me funny, said 'right over here', led me over to the rack of gun rags (printed periodicals), and handed me a copy of Guns & Ammo with a Glock on the cover. lol I put it back on the rack and walked out of the store.
wilderz's picture
Submitted by wilderz on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 21:28
I like to stimulate the clip
frozenground's picture
Submitted by frozenground on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 21:43
lol rock that clip
M13a77's picture
Submitted by M13a77 on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 01:04
Finally someone else knows whats going on. Thanks for setting everyone straight here that didnt already know. This has been a sore point for me as well. I used to get so pissed when people would refer to Clips as mags and vice versa. Good post.
howl_himself's picture
Submitted by howl_himself on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 03:11
Man, I'm all screwed up... I call paperclips "papermags" and call the magazines I read "clips". Even though I know the difference, I always say clip when talking about gaming.
microscent's picture
Submitted by microscent on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 08:37
I am the clip commander!! I've always hated it when people say "clip." It is a F'n MAGAZINE! I had some stripper clips for my AK, but never put it together, I had no idea where clip came from, thanks!
Grants's picture
Submitted by Grants on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 09:55
I want to know how to say "changing magazine" in Arabic so I could yell it out myself repeatedly over Xbox live.
FatalPoison's picture
Submitted by FatalPoison on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 15:47
Boy I feel dumb.....I have been saying it wrong for years.....blame it on those damn movies I guess, LOL......I know pistols held MAGS but I didnt realize the same term was used for other fire arms such as SMG's or LMG's.
Raiz3R's picture
Submitted by Raiz3R on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 15:56
Oh Yeah well..... THIS IS MY RIFLE ! THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT ! BUT THIS ONE IS MINE ! LOL So I take it a Full Metal Jacket, is a full Mag then right ?
Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 16:52
No RaizR I think it Full Metal Jacket refers to the actual bullet/ammo being rapped in copper or other smooth metal, not the Mag or Clip itself.
GBPackerNut's picture
Submitted by GBPackerNut on Sun, 03/02/2008 - 09:28
The M1 Garand always confused me, because the clip stays in the rifle... I still accidently call the mags in bolt action, and rifles that are not detachable, clips, because thats what I always thought it was.
twistedcaboose's picture
Submitted by twistedcaboose on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 19:54
And it's a video game, not real life ;)
frozenground's picture
Submitted by frozenground on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:02
so then we can just perpetuate the mis information and alls well eh? for some of us, it is real life ;)
twistedcaboose's picture
Submitted by twistedcaboose on Mon, 02/11/2008 - 20:06
plus clip is easier to say and shorter. :)

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