Confusled...

J-Cat

Shared on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 10:44

Okay: I posted this stuff on the GTA thread, but bear with me.  It's about Rated M games. To me, there is such a huge range of what is considered "M" that the term almost becomes meaningless.

Case in point: GTA on the "YES, very mature" scale all the way to Penny Arcade. I played the PA  Demo only... but the reason (as far as I can see) that the game is rated M ist he heavy use of foul language. But even then, it's used humorously...

So, my point is this. Soccer Mom does the good thing and plays/ researches GTA befoe little jonny can play. Too violent, too much sex: this rated M game is off the list.  A week later, little Jonny wants to play PA. Mom says, hey this is rated M. I know that rated M  games have lots of violence sex etc... no go.  Note, this logic can also work the other way.

If the ERSB rating system is a valid tool for non-gamer parents to use, how would they know that there are very extreme differences in rated M games?

Now, whenever I bring this up, people say that parents should do research and parent. I thnk that by looking up the ersb rating parents are doing their job. I mean here at 2o2p we are all uber gamers, we know what is in the games. Before you say that parents should extensivly research stuff, ask yourself do you know exactly what your kid is reading? My brother read each Harry Potter novel before reading it to his young daughter to make sure it was appropriate. Do you do the same? If you don't are you "not a good parent"? For the sake of argument, let's say yes, you are still a good parent. Do you watch each movie before your kid watches it? Do you listen to each CD? No, you don't. You look at the media (which is MUCH easier for books, movies, music) and that is it. You can't ask a non-gamer parent to play each game before their kid does, it's just unrealistic.  which is why there is ersb.

I think I'm dense or something. Others think that the system is fine. I just see such a HUGE range in the rated M games that it is almost meaningless.   AO is the retail kiss of death. But it's funny: you can show someone get executed, but DAMN no nipples!  This goes for movies too.  So maybe it's just a US thing?

I am looking for clarification: please keep it civil. Do you guys see a huge range in the rated M games, and if so, is this fine.

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pearly_54's picture
Submitted by pearly_54 on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 16:33
So, I want to comment on the T rating. My grandsons both started playing video games when they were prolly 3 years old. Yes, there are some very good games for the very young, learning games, puzzle games, etc. But, now my younger gson is 5 years old and his mother says he can't play T games. Ack! If I went by the rating, I would agree. But, truth is, there are no games in my house that I haven't played, and the T games he is interested in have nothing objectionable in them at all. I guess they are rated T cuz they have to kill monsters and such. Well, it's very good for eye-hand coordination! He is better at it than I am. Just mho!
TDrag27's picture
Submitted by TDrag27 on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 10:51
There definitely is a huge range and different reasons why different games get the same rating. But what parents find objectionable may also differ so I don't think there will ever be a "perfect" system that is also intuitive. One parent may say, I don't care how many times timmy hears the "f" word, but I don't want him to see simulated sex. Another parent may say, I don't care if timmy sees simulated sex, but I don't want him to interact be able to kill people. So if the ESRB tried to meet everyone's needs you'd end up with multiple ratings for each game - 1 for language, 1 for sexual content and nudity, 1 for violence, 1 for drug/alcohol use, 1 for blood and gore, etc. It would be even MORE confusing for parents, IMO. I believe on each box, it does try to pin-point which of those factors contributed to the rating it got, but I could be wrong.
RhyoOhki's picture
Submitted by RhyoOhki on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 10:57
I agree whole heartedly, since I started dating my gf, who has two young kids, I have started looking at things differently. But my favorite as I work at gamestop is when we have to read off this game is rated m for... I will list nudity, gore, violence, language, donkey raping whatever and then you say drug use and the parent is like you ain't gettting no game with drugs in it go find something else. And I am like so everything else is good, just no drugs. Why are you buying a 12 year old a M rated game any damn how. But they do need to be more specific on how they rate it. like have a nc-17 which is inbetween ao and m or something.
TANK's picture
Submitted by TANK on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 11:06
A rated game though should be acceptable for a parent to be buying their kids to play anyway no matter where it falls in that range. Right? It got an M rating because it's not suitable for a minor to play. It should matter how extreme the game is M is M.
corbin_dallas's picture
Submitted by corbin_dallas on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 11:38
@ Tank. What a perfect point! No debate needed. M is M and that's it. The problem is in the judgement of the parent allows their minor child to play said M Rated game. You can lead a horse to water...
J-Cat's picture
Submitted by J-Cat on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 11:55
Okay: thanks guys./.. I really do appreciate this. Agin: it jsut seems like such a wide margin...
BrodysDad46's picture
Submitted by BrodysDad46 on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 12:12
I agree that what is included in the M rating is broad. But, the ERSB has to cast a wide net because their job is to advise parents that the game contains content that the parent MAY find offensive. What each of us define as offensive is going to vary greatly. Thus, the M rating may lead some parents to categorically refuse to let their children play any M rated game, while some will look at the specific reasons for the rating in making the decision, and some will play the game for themselves to make the decision.
COULOW's picture
Submitted by COULOW on Tue, 05/27/2008 - 09:59
Total difference in what the US considers rated M. One question before I answer, is Dead or Alive rated M? Is Dead or Alive Beach volleyball rated M? It should be! My 2 cents say the ratings are a bit slack. Maybe I'm conservative, maybe my preteen years playing Mario Bro's and later Tomb Raider have sheltered me in comparison to my much younger siblings. games now are very realistic and nothing bother's me more than hearing a 10yr old playing COD4.

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