Changed View: Clans and the People Who Join Them

Maxxie

Shared on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 13:45

I’ve been thinking about clans and cliques this week in relation to video games...and gaming in general.

I’m a member of a couple of clans here and it is a brand new experience for me. I’ve never really joined them before. I’m pretty quiet in the ones in which I am a member right now too. I check our forums but I haven’t quite figured out how to jump into things. But then, I think in part I’m having left over nerves. See, I was always hesitant about joining clans – I saw them as glorified cliques.

Generally speaking I’ve found people like “boxes.” We like to easily classify people and things in categories so that we have a comfort level or expectation with them. We “know” how to treat them. We create boxes based on criteria and then make a general assumption based on that about how we will thereafter treat others that fit the criteria of that box.

I fully recognize the necessity of this skill for parts of everyday living, but as a general principle I don’t like boxes. I think when people put themselves or others in boxes it creates limitations and narrows vision. Once people label someone or something in a certain way they tend not to allow for change or growth, nor recognize that there can be more than the one view held. I saw clans as sanctioning people to create boxes for selves and others through game-playing or game interest in order to create hierarchy.

In addition, over the years I have read messages that justified spouting hateful, sexist, racist, elitist, ignorant or just plain cruel comments and beliefs as "friendly fun." Now if your humor is broad enough to encompass it, I believe in some situations statements that could be considered any one of those listed qualities can be made and received as good-natured trash-talking or jest. I am not one who is easily offended and I can see how it can be fun and give a sense of comraderie to speak scandalously between members of your clan or even talking with a rival clan. But there is a difference in how that is expressed and received that shows everyone involved or looking which intent is meant, and messages of friendly competition and good-natured trash-talking were few and far between whenever I looked. People wanted to shock, piss off others and be cruel.

So, I saw clans as a way for some to justify excluding others, create ego-stroking hierarchy, cliques and sometimes sanction bully behavior. Even if someone told me that their clan was different or friendly I figured it was only a matter of time before they might change into something I didn’t want to become myself. I decided I’d never join a clan.

So what changed?

Well first, I realized that I had been placing clans in a box of my own. I was disappointed in myself as I strive not to be hypocritical. I was looking at them through only one view and not a particularly informed one. After all, I had never been in a clan myself. My conclusions were based on posted messages of other clans that were "loud" and seemed dominant to other clans who were less noisy and more consistent in their message of friendliness and fun competition. I dug deeper and acknowledged clans can be competition based or social. In either case they can be highly structured with rules, regulations and expectations or very freeform, low pressure and loose.

Thanks to the clans in which I am a member now, I’m learning another point of the view that I had neglected; clans can be a place to allow you to indulge your interest, to discuss and share your thoughts with like minded people who are looking for other enthusiasts who share their delight. People who join clans aren’t necessarily looking to exclude others, but looking for a place to feel included and be part of building something. They can be supportive yet have bite, wit and snark without the intent to foster division and hate (Please note there are no "fluffy bunnies" in either of my clans!).

There are some clans I’m sure that are intent upon being exclusive and being …jerks. I suspect for them the definition of clan is limited to this purpose and any other viewpoint is weak or stupid. If you prefer this view – that’s your choice. For myself, I’m glad that I was able to challenge and expand my view otherwise I think I would be missing out on getting know some fantastic people and have some great experiences. I get it. Clans don’t have to mean cliques. They can mean community.

Now I’m still learning and growing, but I believe I would eventually like to join one more clan, one that is friendly but competitive. I’d like to compete in skill-based games, talk some off colored trash and be part of a team that hopefully wins more often than not, because let's face it: bragging can be a whole lot of fun. I can see now that such clans exist and they are more pervasive than I had realized or allowed myself to believe.

Thank you to The Cabal and Diversity for teaching me something pretty valuable.

Are you in a clan? Do you love it or hate it? Would you never join one? Are there more lessons I need to learn about clan culture? Is your clan one that others misunderstand? Do you think I’m way offbase? Is an expectation of not being hateful unrealistic given the diversity of clan members? What makes a good clan good to you? Let me know!


And thanks for looking!

Comments

naveeda's picture
Submitted by naveeda on Thu, 04/16/2009 - 15:42
Great post, got me thinking on a lot of things, +1.
Codemunkee's picture
Submitted by Codemunkee on Sun, 04/12/2009 - 19:40
I have a few problems with clans. They are hard places to meet people, especially if you're new. Granted, this is probably a generalization, but in my experience (except for the Forza team here, which is the only 2O2P clan I am a member of), there's a big flurry of welcomes and the activity generally tapers off unless you plug in with the "right group" of people. This is compounded if you're not as active as others in the clan. Since they're playing with one another more, they're learning about each other more, and people like me, who have a more casual ad hoc play schedule, have a harder time fitting in. Honestly, Maxxie - you're the only person that I've chatted with offline, and I think that removal from any type of clan or game association helps a lot as far as finding things to chat about - between music and RPGs and other crap we have so much in common - but with our different timezones and different games, would we have found out if it were clan-exclusive? Probably not. But at the same time I do enjoy the camaraderie and competitive spirit behind clans. Its just hard for people like me to find a middle ground... and it makes me wonder, in spite of being thankful for places like 2O2P that weed out kids, whether or not I should continue to keep a Live subscription. Large game collections don't help either, especially if youre someone like me who hasn't even completed the Gears 2 campaign yet, or is an RPG fan. Great topic. How about some IM love sometime?
Codemunkee's picture
Submitted by Codemunkee on Sun, 04/12/2009 - 19:41
Oh, to amend - the Forza clan here has been nothing short of fantastic. Cotter and their team have made me feel EXTREMELY welcome, in spite of my schedule for now and the short term. Good bunch of guys.
ATC_1982's picture
Submitted by ATC_1982 on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 14:24
I am actually in three of them on this site. each on brings to the table needs as i call it. One is the need for RPG lovin which 2old2rpg brings me. Another is my xbox bretherin with Old Man Mafia. The last an certainly not least is my PS3 fixation with 2old2resist. Is there something else I am looking for sure, but then again I do way to much to try an start a clan to be for me an you know it would only meet my needs. so i change my needs to meet what is out there an when all else fails I have my blogs to get an idear or two across. I like learing an you can't learn if you dont talk or play well with others.
happ's picture
Submitted by happ on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 14:34
I'm a mod in a fairly new clan on this site, as we've only been going for a month or two. We play Battlefield Bad Company and Frontlines: Fuel of War, among others. We have a fantastic group and though we've had a couple of personality clashes, it has been a great thing to be a part of. We basically started the clan to be more organized. You know, to get everybody together on what days we would play and to be able to have a forum to coordinate everything. I can't speak for others, as it's the first one I've actually been in, but we don't try to be a clique. In fact, the only thing we really look for is participation and a good attitude; skill is not even a consideration. We're still trying to figure out how big we want this thing to be, but currently are running with 35 people and pretty much everybody plays on a regular basis. I really think the thing that will make or break a clan is having fun and being able to respect each other. With a large group, there's bound to be disagreements from time to time, but it's how you handle those that determines if your clan is a good one or a bad one.
hilskie's picture
Submitted by hilskie on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 15:44
thumbs up, Maxxie! I love how you present things...I always enjoy reading your articles/blogs! :)
J-Cat's picture
Submitted by J-Cat on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 17:10
Maxxie: one of the best parts of The Cabal! I think you are right: it comes down to the purpose of creating the clan in the first place. We created The Cabal because we wanted a place for the women, a place were we could be ourselves. We wanted to "stack the deck" with excellent women dedicated to gaming and to 2o2p. I think we have one amazing crew. Start posting, everyone adores you and we want to hear from you!
COULOW's picture
Submitted by COULOW on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 17:51
Such an elegant prose...and girlfriend never posts. Shame. I enjoyed that post. Got the hamster wheel turning in my head. Thank you!
rumbagod's picture
Submitted by rumbagod on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 18:47
i'm in two of them and i'm not a big social type person but my first clan is my best clan (don't tell INKA that ;) ) i've known the members there longer and some are like family to me. the 2nd clan i'm new to but have made at least a couple good connections with members there.....i was hesitant about joining up with another one but with the release of any game and the trepidation about heading out onto xbox live with all the angst ridden foul mouthed hooligans, i wanted to join a clan that shared a similar interest to mine so at least i knew i could have a decent conversation and maybe talk a little smack if i managed to pummel someone :) anyhoo, clans are good if you join them for the right reasons and enjoy the comradarie they can bring to the table..........it'll make for an interesting LAN experience in august that's for sure
ONTHEGAS's picture
Submitted by ONTHEGAS on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 20:02
Amazing blog. I hope you enjoy your stay with Diversity. I'm trying to offer something a little different and things are still starting out slow, but with the help from members like youself it seems we're headed in the right direction. I never was a big reader of blogs, but you definitely have changed my mind. I hope to get some gaming in with ya' someday.
CrypticCat's picture
Submitted by CrypticCat on Sat, 04/11/2009 - 04:45
Are you in a clan? Do you love it or hate it? Would you never join one? Are there more lessons I need to learn about clan culture? Is your clan one that others misunderstand? Do you think I’m way offbase? Is an expectation of not being hateful unrealistic given the diversity of clan members? What makes a good clan good to you? Let me know! ===== I don't really know about clans/guilds/groups. I have founded a guild on WoW-Europe that went on to become a huge raidingguild and I have been in clans that fell apart after the loading screen. Secondly, I can join, but I never stay long. As soon as I enter you can count the hours till I leave. You see, gaming is in MY time. If it happens to be in other people's time aswell, so much the better, but essentially it's MY time. And so I like to do what I want to do. Enter huge differences of opinion. Another thing I hate is the fact that the chances you have of running into nerds exponentially grow. Nerds give me allergic reactions. I want to play a game, not sit there and listen to some fool talking science about a frigging stupid game that means absolutely nothing at all when you take the disk from the tray. And then of course, there's the unavoidable "Overlord". I get into fights with them, mostly at the drop of a hat. Why should I do what some sucker at the other end of the country wants me to do. Some self-appointed moron telling me how to spend MY gaming-time? Not going to happen. With the exception of a few clans I had good fun with over the years (I walked away from my own clan after it became too big and I wanted to go back to enjoying WoW again as opposed to sitting in the guildscreen trying to massage all those ego's.), I like to fend for myself. Game together? COOL! Game together for the rest of eternity? Never.
Maxxie's picture
Submitted by Maxxie on Sat, 04/11/2009 - 14:19
Wow. Thank you to everyone who responded and PM’d for your thoughtful responses. I wanted to make sure I had the time to reply properly before I responded. @ATC_1982 – :D You definitely can’t learn if you aren’t open to the experience or are willing to get along and play with others. I think your tactic of finding clans that can fit your need might be popular with many folks, short of creating their own clan. 2old2rpg….hmmm. This clan does parties while they play I presume? @Happ – Congrats on the success of your new clan! The idea of coordinating play time seems like a very organic reason to start a clan – keeping it together I suspect requires more than good organization skills ;). It speaks well of you that you can help your clan mates negotiate the clashes to still keep things fun. I like your criteria of participation and a good attitude. You can teach skills but attitude not so much. I suspect respect is paramount too - for the people, the purpose and the structure. I would be curious to know how the clan feels at it’s current size compared to larger – if you expand. @hilskie – Thank you very much! I enjoy your posts too – though I’m still hoping you’ll post a sample of your drumming someday (If you have I missed it!). Happy belated birthday! @J-Cat – You are always so supportive and it means more than you know - thank you. I love that the Cabal has exposed me to even more great women here and has helped me develop a different point of view about clans. BTW, I think beyond privacy, the reason for Cabal’s success is definitely due to the scintillating membership of diverse yet consistently cool women in conjunction with our fabulous leaders/moderators you, JeepChick and TDrag27. You ladies are witty, amazing and great writers. I’ll try to speak up more but… dammit I get shy. Can you believe a person *this* wordy can be shy? @COULOW – Thank you so much I’ve always liked hamsters ;) I really like your blog and your sense of humor, btw. I'll make a deal with you f you post more often in the forums ( not every day just more often) and I don't you can tease me for it. Then I will have to post and encourage you. Honestly I don’t really know what to say…but I’ll figure something out… @rumbagod – I think it is interesting you don’t view yourself as particularly social, when I read your blogs I see you as such and not in an obnoxious way. though maybe sometimes in a couple brews or a little Jameson fun-loving way. ☺ Your criteria for a clan sounds very similar to mine – though I’ll have to post about my Xbox Live random forays. So far I’ve had largely positive experiences and I’m amused by the conversations… @ONTHEGAS – Thank you! And thanks for moderating/leading such a good clan. I don’t mind the slow but steady approach. I think a good foundation can be worth the rewards. I definitely will be looking out for you on Live. I’m glad you like my blog. I tend to think there are more fantastic blogs on this site compared to mine – try checking out everyone’s blog in this thread for a start and you’ll likely see what I mean…. @CrypticCat – Thank you so much for your reply! I definitely appreciate your point of view and vehemence in protecting the quality of your time. I have yet to run into a “Overlord” but I have a feeling that’s going to be a pretty interesting day when I do ☺. I like knowing there is a contingent of people such as yourself (correct me if I misunderstand) who view clans as pleasurable but ultimately transitory. You stay true to yourself and your willingness to compromise, so few people do that and it leads to stress. You seem to know yourself and be comfortable in your skin so that makes a difference too. I know you’re busy, but know that I enjoy your posts whenever you update. Plus it is good to know there are more motorcycle riders around here...

Join our Universe

Connect with 2o2p