First and foremost, PLEASE open up the contribution section. I want to donate money to the site and many others want to as well. The new income could be spent on ad banners or something to bring in new members. I agree with adding graphics and other stuff to make the site more visually appealing. I think the community nights we have are helpful, but I'm trying to come up with more ideas to involve the community. I posted a new Halo tournament, but only got seven responses. I'm looking at the status of our forums as an ebb and flow. When the new systems release, we'll see a massive influx of newcomers (I presume.) We probably would have retained a few more if there wasn't such an anti Xbone tone going on a couple months ago (I was one of the Xbone trashers myself.) I am confident everything will work out for the site. I would like to offer one point of input into the mobile changes- I can view and participate in the site just fine as it is, except that I can't post smilies or add page breaks, so the vast majority of the site works great on my Windows Phone 7.5 platform.
I like having our seperate clans so that I dont have to look at anything Shadow has to say. If I was new to thes site, one look at the off topic section and I would run. People who do know me, this is not sarcasm.
I like having our seperate clans so that I dont have to look at anything Shadow has to say. If I was new to thes site, one look at the off topic section and I would run. People who do know me, this is not sarcasm.
Right now, there are few mods left to do anything about the discourse here on the site, which isn't helping keep people around any. Look at how the off topic threads keep devolving...it's not helping with the image of the site one bit.
Who are the active moderators other than Dixon? Weren't mods labeled as such in v2?
Off-topic has generally been difficult to read since the new console poo slinging began.
I'm guessing that some of the Clan forums have content in them that would do well 'not' becoming public. What would be done about that?
Exactly what I said when the Forza forum opened it's doors...I was wrong, the sky didn't fall in and nothing bad happened. In fact when Church and I started the PC Racing division we never even thought about it being closed. If Clans want a secret corner...Start a closed Facebook group! Keep this to grow as a community...Simples.
I'm guessing that some of the Clan forums have content in them that would do well 'not' becoming public. What would be done about that?
you could make that forum read only to current members and start a new one that's open?
Though if you're sharing anything on the net, it's "public" on some way. Seems like if you didn't want people to know you shouldn't post it. ;)
Heh for once I agree with you, while as I said I was not so happy when the Forza forum went open any idea that it was in the greater sense private is patently silly, and damn right, if you want to keep private...Keep it off the internet.
I'm guessing that some of the Clan forums have content in them that would do well 'not' becoming public. What would be done about that?
you could make that forum read only to current members and start a new one that's open?
Though if you're sharing anything on the net, it's "public" on some way. Seems like if you didn't want people to know you shouldn't post it. ;)
I like closed sub-forums. I understand you want to be the site more inviting and lively, but sub-forums really give me the oppurtunity to make fun of my clannies in a crude way. I wouldnt want to do that openly when newbies might think Im an asshole, instead of a joker.
I second Rau on his take about off topic in general. Most topics go away from the topic fairly quickly and the e-penis battle begins. The topic usually starts off being informative then gets into an argument about someones opinion of such topic. Different personalities clashing I suppose.
I remember the early days of 2old2play when Doodirock had plenty of time for gaming (Halo). He was much in demand and spread himself around a lot. He and others made this site, he was a hero and friends were everywhere. Sounds great doesn't it?
The downside was his participation in forums was frequent and just as it is now, fraught with forum showdowns. Seemed like Doodi couldn't get to enjoy his own site sometimes. He was even attacked horrendously by members over Clan issues. I know because I was one of those members. Now I favour a completely different opinion on Clans but that fight I had with Doodirock will always be there. So maybe Doodirock needs more from us than we do of him? Maybe our thanks to him is to support his attempt to build a community site and stick with it, even beyond the point we would normally depart. I mean, look at we have already. It's a free (to us) site and all we should do is enjoy the space and help attract and entertain good new members.
I remember the early days of 2old2play when Doodirock had plenty of time for gaming (Halo). He was much in demand and spread himself around a lot. He and others made this site, he was a hero and friends were everywhere. Sounds great doesn't it?
The downside was his participation in forums was frequent and just as it is now, fraught with forum showdowns. Seemed like Doodi couldn't get to enjoy his own site sometimes. He was even attacked horrendously by members over Clan issues. I know because I was one of those members. Now I favour a completely different opinion on Clans but that fight I had with Doodirock will always be there. So maybe Doodirock needs more from us than we do of him? Maybe our thanks to him is to support his attempt to build a community site and stick with it, even beyond the point we would normally depart. I mean, look at we have already. It's a free (to us) site and all we should do is enjoy the space and help attract and entertain good new members.
I agree we can't expect two guys to spend every waking minute pandering to the desires of the community on here. Having said that 202p is a hobby for Doodi and Derek and as such do they want to keep "ownership" of it ? Just throwing this out here, but maybe the two guys need to let go a little and hand over the reigns somewhat to a bigger bunch of people committed to growing the site.
I for one am happy to help out in any way I can so that the site continues to thrive and grow.
I really don't know what to say. This site has been great for me. Older gamers that share my passion for games. I don't know what I can do to help keep this going. I personally think that the clan forums need to either be open or get rid of them. Just consolidate. I appreciate this site and I hope it keeps strong for the foreseeable future. And mobile would be good I guess (not important to me but others seem to like it).
Private forums vs. Open forums - an issue that has plagued many sites. I think there is a way to incorporate both and keep both sides relatively happy, but it's important to make the private forums not seem so unattainable (or even invisible).
I hang out in the open forums because I'm a noob here at 2o2p, so I honestly do no know about the private forums. I really have no idea if there is a part of this site or members on this site that have a neat gaming community. If it's shut off from me or not even viewable, that is a problem. I get the feeling that there are people that tend to hang out in the private forums and not post on the open forums and that is bad for the community as a whole.
All-in-all, private communities are exclusionary and will make the site less attractive to gamers looking for a place to hang out - especially if this is at the expense of the open forums. However, it's also good to have areas where people feel like they can hang out, without being subjected to heavy moderation.
If you keep things private, then 2o2p is nothing more than a hub for private clans. Requiring a little bit of opening up by all clans, but allowing them to retain some of their private sections would grant them a presence on the forums, but also allow them to retreat into other areas if needed. This could also aid newcomers to see there are open and private groups. The private groups would at least have some exposure on the site instead of always hiding behind closed doors.
The gaming community seems so fragile, there is always this constant battle of trying to appeal to the masses and find new members. At the same time you have to consider your current and long-time membership and not bite the hand that feeds you. People are too quick to get their feelings hurt and leave or think they can do better and start their own site.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Oh yeah. That's completely true. That, coupled with some distance and internet anonymity makes it challenging for sure. For example, take Mr. Sarcasmo Jones. I met him at the last LAN that 2old2play hosted. I didn't think he was a bad person at all, yet here we are, locking virtual horns about moderation on the forums. He's just another person, like the rest of us here, with jobs, familes, and a life to live. The one thing that brings us together is video games, and that's not so bad.
To add, I was given the keys to moderation a year or two previously, at the site LAN, when I offered to help clean up the massive amount of spam that we were getting in 2old2play's previous incarnation. I'm still here, trying to help keep things moderately readable and civil, although it certainly hasn't been easy recently, we'll get through it.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Exactly this. More moderation honestly has seemed to have the worst possible affect. When adults get told NO they tend to follow it up with a big FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. This happens to even the most civil of our members. The idea of handing more power to mods is generally a bad idea.
However I do think the mods over individual forums is a good thing. It gives them owner ship over there space within the community. I just dont ever want moderators having the power to delete someones account. Maybe ban them from a particular forum would be nice.
People seem to forget this, but 2o2p was built on almost NO moderation when it started. If people we assholes we just told everyone to ignore it and move on (you know, do the adult thing). For the most part they went away. However no that we've grown I can see a need for some moderation. Although I think maybe the best idea is to allow members to block other members. Then if someone comes to me saying, "Hey this guy is a dick!!!" I can just say, well then why are you talking to him? Block posts and move on.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Exactly this. More moderation honestly has seemed to have the worst possible affect. When adults get told NO they tend to follow it up with a big FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. This happens to even the most civil of our members. The idea of handing more power to mods is generally a bad idea.
However I do think the mods over individual forums is a good thing. It gives them owner ship over there space within the community. I just dont ever want moderators having the power to delete someones account. Maybe ban them from a particular forum would be nice.
People seem to forget this, but 2o2p was built on almost NO moderation when it started. If people we assholes we just told everyone to ignore it and move on (you know, do the adult thing). For the most part they went away. However no that we've grown I can see a need for some moderation. Although I think maybe the best idea is to allow members to block other members. Then if someone comes to me saying, "Hey this guy is a dick!!!" I can just say, well then why are you talking to him? Block posts and move on.
It is funny how people get so bent out of shape over trolling, and just idiotic comments. I must admit, I was almost like that at one point. I realized however that really who cares? It's a forum with opinions. There will be aholes and jerks. If I find that someone has made a trollish comment to me, it's very easy to just simply ignore it.
Good hearted jabs are different. But, it can be difficult to distinguish between the two sometimes. When in doubt I refer to first comment. Ignore.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Exactly this. More moderation honestly has seemed to have the worst possible affect. When adults get told NO they tend to follow it up with a big FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. This happens to even the most civil of our members. The idea of handing more power to mods is generally a bad idea.
However I do think the mods over individual forums is a good thing. It gives them owner ship over there space within the community. I just dont ever want moderators having the power to delete someones account. Maybe ban them from a particular forum would be nice.
People seem to forget this, but 2o2p was built on almost NO moderation when it started. If people we assholes we just told everyone to ignore it and move on (you know, do the adult thing). For the most part they went away. However no that we've grown I can see a need for some moderation. Although I think maybe the best idea is to allow members to block other members. Then if someone comes to me saying, "Hey this guy is a dick!!!" I can just say, well then why are you talking to him? Block posts and move on.
It is funny how people get so bent out of shape over trolling, and just idiotic comments. I must admit, I was almost like that at one point. I realized however that really who cares? It's a forum with opinions. There will be aholes and jerks. If I find that someone has made a trollish comment to me, it's very easy to just simply ignore it.
Good hearted jabs are different. But, it can be difficult to distinguish between the two sometimes. When in doubt I refer to first comment. Ignore.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Exactly this. More moderation honestly has seemed to have the worst possible affect. When adults get told NO they tend to follow it up with a big FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. This happens to even the most civil of our members. The idea of handing more power to mods is generally a bad idea.
However I do think the mods over individual forums is a good thing. It gives them owner ship over there space within the community. I just dont ever want moderators having the power to delete someones account. Maybe ban them from a particular forum would be nice.
People seem to forget this, but 2o2p was built on almost NO moderation when it started. If people we assholes we just told everyone to ignore it and move on (you know, do the adult thing). For the most part they went away. However no that we've grown I can see a need for some moderation. Although I think maybe the best idea is to allow members to block other members. Then if someone comes to me saying, "Hey this guy is a dick!!!" I can just say, well then why are you talking to him? Block posts and move on.
It is funny how people get so bent out of shape over trolling, and just idiotic comments. I must admit, I was almost like that at one point. I realized however that really who cares? It's a forum with opinions. There will be aholes and jerks. If I find that someone has made a trollish comment to me, it's very easy to just simply ignore it.
Good hearted jabs are different. But, it can be difficult to distinguish between the two sometimes. When in doubt I refer to first comment. Ignore.
I like Ciaran's idea, like a council running the site. If we're talking about adding mods and admins, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. Its a big hat, and can probably beat most other hats in a cage match. My hat's name is Little Jerry Seinfeld if anyone wants to put money on it.
You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
What perks are in your scheme to attract quality Mods? All I'm seeing is, all work and no play. What is their retention bonus? I must be missing something.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
What perks are in your scheme to attract quality Mods? All I'm seeing is, all work and no play. What is their retention bonus? I must be missing something.
I don't get your point, in the last three hours I've seen 4 people volunteer...
I like having our seperate clans so that I dont have to look at anything Shadow has to say. If I was new to thes site, one look at the off topic section and I would run. People who do know me, this is not sarcasm.
Turd. Meet punchbowl.
It IS a good model to look at.
The onlything I see radically different is all the "race teams" can see each others "stuff".
But again I ask, what's so important to be secretive?
Who are the active moderators other than Dixon? Weren't mods labeled as such in v2?
Off-topic has generally been difficult to read since the new console poo slinging began.
I'm guessing that some of the Clan forums have content in them that would do well 'not' becoming public. What would be done about that?
Exactly what I said when the Forza forum opened it's doors...I was wrong, the sky didn't fall in and nothing bad happened. In fact when Church and I started the PC Racing division we never even thought about it being closed. If Clans want a secret corner...Start a closed Facebook group! Keep this to grow as a community...Simples.
you could make that forum read only to current members and start a new one that's open?
Though if you're sharing anything on the net, it's "public" on some way. Seems like if you didn't want people to know you shouldn't post it. ;)
Heh for once I agree with you, while as I said I was not so happy when the Forza forum went open any idea that it was in the greater sense private is patently silly, and damn right, if you want to keep private...Keep it off the internet.
I like closed sub-forums. I understand you want to be the site more inviting and lively, but sub-forums really give me the oppurtunity to make fun of my clannies in a crude way. I wouldnt want to do that openly when newbies might think Im an asshole, instead of a joker.
I second Rau on his take about off topic in general. Most topics go away from the topic fairly quickly and the e-penis battle begins. The topic usually starts off being informative then gets into an argument about someones opinion of such topic. Different personalities clashing I suppose.
I remember the early days of 2old2play when Doodirock had plenty of time for gaming (Halo). He was much in demand and spread himself around a lot. He and others made this site, he was a hero and friends were everywhere. Sounds great doesn't it?
The downside was his participation in forums was frequent and just as it is now, fraught with forum showdowns. Seemed like Doodi couldn't get to enjoy his own site sometimes. He was even attacked horrendously by members over Clan issues. I know because I was one of those members. Now I favour a completely different opinion on Clans but that fight I had with Doodirock will always be there. So maybe Doodirock needs more from us than we do of him? Maybe our thanks to him is to support his attempt to build a community site and stick with it, even beyond the point we would normally depart. I mean, look at we have already. It's a free (to us) site and all we should do is enjoy the space and help attract and entertain good new members.
I agree we can't expect two guys to spend every waking minute pandering to the desires of the community on here. Having said that 202p is a hobby for Doodi and Derek and as such do they want to keep "ownership" of it ? Just throwing this out here, but maybe the two guys need to let go a little and hand over the reigns somewhat to a bigger bunch of people committed to growing the site.
I for one am happy to help out in any way I can so that the site continues to thrive and grow.
I really don't know what to say. This site has been great for me. Older gamers that share my passion for games. I don't know what I can do to help keep this going. I personally think that the clan forums need to either be open or get rid of them. Just consolidate. I appreciate this site and I hope it keeps strong for the foreseeable future. And mobile would be good I guess (not important to me but others seem to like it).
Private forums vs. Open forums - an issue that has plagued many sites. I think there is a way to incorporate both and keep both sides relatively happy, but it's important to make the private forums not seem so unattainable (or even invisible).
I hang out in the open forums because I'm a noob here at 2o2p, so I honestly do no know about the private forums. I really have no idea if there is a part of this site or members on this site that have a neat gaming community. If it's shut off from me or not even viewable, that is a problem. I get the feeling that there are people that tend to hang out in the private forums and not post on the open forums and that is bad for the community as a whole.
All-in-all, private communities are exclusionary and will make the site less attractive to gamers looking for a place to hang out - especially if this is at the expense of the open forums. However, it's also good to have areas where people feel like they can hang out, without being subjected to heavy moderation.
If you keep things private, then 2o2p is nothing more than a hub for private clans. Requiring a little bit of opening up by all clans, but allowing them to retain some of their private sections would grant them a presence on the forums, but also allow them to retreat into other areas if needed. This could also aid newcomers to see there are open and private groups. The private groups would at least have some exposure on the site instead of always hiding behind closed doors.
The gaming community seems so fragile, there is always this constant battle of trying to appeal to the masses and find new members. At the same time you have to consider your current and long-time membership and not bite the hand that feeds you. People are too quick to get their feelings hurt and leave or think they can do better and start their own site.
"3) Mobile mobile mobile" Amen! Move it up to #1.
I'd help moderate again but I need more rules and guidelines and I probably shouldn't moderate topics I am passionate about.
Problem is, some don't know or can't see the difference between a good hearted jab , fun, and true vitrol. The printed word doesn't make that any easier. And that makes it hard to figure out who you hand the keys to.
Oh yeah. That's completely true. That, coupled with some distance and internet anonymity makes it challenging for sure. For example, take Mr. Sarcasmo Jones. I met him at the last LAN that 2old2play hosted. I didn't think he was a bad person at all, yet here we are, locking virtual horns about moderation on the forums. He's just another person, like the rest of us here, with jobs, familes, and a life to live. The one thing that brings us together is video games, and that's not so bad.
To add, I was given the keys to moderation a year or two previously, at the site LAN, when I offered to help clean up the massive amount of spam that we were getting in 2old2play's previous incarnation. I'm still here, trying to help keep things moderately readable and civil, although it certainly hasn't been easy recently, we'll get through it.
Exactly this. More moderation honestly has seemed to have the worst possible affect. When adults get told NO they tend to follow it up with a big FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. This happens to even the most civil of our members. The idea of handing more power to mods is generally a bad idea.
However I do think the mods over individual forums is a good thing. It gives them owner ship over there space within the community. I just dont ever want moderators having the power to delete someones account. Maybe ban them from a particular forum would be nice.
People seem to forget this, but 2o2p was built on almost NO moderation when it started. If people we assholes we just told everyone to ignore it and move on (you know, do the adult thing). For the most part they went away. However no that we've grown I can see a need for some moderation. Although I think maybe the best idea is to allow members to block other members. Then if someone comes to me saying, "Hey this guy is a dick!!!" I can just say, well then why are you talking to him? Block posts and move on.
You had me right up until these words Doodi. Surely you're not suggesting people be accountable for themselves, thats uncivilized.
He meant: do the dirty, the horizontal bop, suck face, get jiggy wit it, shagnasty, help the sheep over the fence...
It is funny how people get so bent out of shape over trolling, and just idiotic comments. I must admit, I was almost like that at one point. I realized however that really who cares? It's a forum with opinions. There will be aholes and jerks. If I find that someone has made a trollish comment to me, it's very easy to just simply ignore it.
Good hearted jabs are different. But, it can be difficult to distinguish between the two sometimes. When in doubt I refer to first comment. Ignore.
Something, something waterfall?
I got an endless waterfall for ya!
2old2play - The Community For Older Gamers
fine print: where the moderators are shitty to each other publicly and mudslinging is a daily affair.
Can't imagine why it's hard to draw a mature gaming crowd in and keep it active... ಠ_ಠ
You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
I don't get your point, in the last three hours I've seen 4 people volunteer...