Since everyone thinks I'm crazy, or a dick, or otherwise

T3muJin: Glad to see where you stand. I know quite a few people who don't stray out of the OMM forums because they don't feel like dealing with adult asshattery in the public forums. So they should all go "go suck each others dicks somewhere else"? Thanks for proving just why a lot of members stay in their clan forums instead of being active across the more public venues. As for "This site is NOT for MATURE gamers, never has been and never will be.", the fact that there's an age requirement listed PROMINENTLY refutes this claim. Yes, it's pretty apparent that people can be over 25 and immature, but when a site claims that one of the biggest draws is that the age requirement is 25 then the implication is that because of the age requirement it is more mature than being on an "all ages" gaming forum.

Based on the mockup, I think it's clear the direction they are going. I applaud their efforts, running a site that big won't be easy. However, if it were I, I'd just disassociate myself and my site/efforts with 2old2play all together. It can be tempting to try to siphon community from a big site to a smaller site, but it's really not "nice." I've done a lot for 2old2play in terms of side jobs editing documents, writing, editorials and such, but I still don't really try to pull the community to my own news blogging sites. It's one thing to "name drop" on occasion but another to be working both sides of the situation. As I don't know both sides of the situation, going on the mock up, I can clearly see the end result. They're basing their site off a design that has obviously worked for people here, it's clear, concise and easy to build off of. The difference being the three-column design over the two column design... but has the same presentation besides that. Isn't duplication the best form of flattery? :)

Another point to those that claim that airing this out in public was a bad way to handle things, let me ask, how would you have it done? In private, where if the OLs of 2o4d had to change the name of their site as an amicable resolution, people would whisper that D&D 'muscled' or 'threatened' the 2o4d OLs? In the dark is never the correct answer, ever. Want a few 'adult' examples? The yahoo board of directors and whichever shareholder it was that thought they should sell to MS. There was a lot of public mudslinging there. How about EA wanting to buy ...Take-Two? Rockstar? ... yeah, the CEO's published the letters they sent to each other. I don't think it's so much that this issue is aired in public that people are having a problem with, it's that this is our refuge from all that crap in the world. What makes us adults isn't that we don't air things in public, it's that once we've aired the issues we put it behind us and move on. All Doodi and DS have done is made the issue public, the mudslinging is being done by others. I said it in DS's first blog post and I'll re-iterate it here; copyrights are serious business and it doesn't matter why 2o4d decided to slap a copyright symbol on their page or what their intentions are. When you operate something that could be perceived as a brand by someone, you must treat all instances of even perceived infringement as hostile, at least to start. If people want to see adult behaviour, they can start by showing some. If that seems harsh, too bad. Doodi and DS are doing what they must with the situation they have. I'm pretty damned sure they don't like having to do it anymore than anyone likes to hear/read about it. Finally, to those that exclaim 'but it's tearing 2o2p apart!!', it's really not. Look at the Yahoo board of directors...they made it through their last shareholder meeting unscathed :wink: It sucks because this is the adult world. Maturity isn't preventing this from happening, it's about dealing with it and moving forward. Here's to hoping those affected move on and continue having fun. All bad times are transitory, and eventually we'll be laughing about it like we do the old Politics forum. Tolerance and understanding, it's what's in pie.

The evidence looks fairly damning but what is it really? If I were setting up a new site I'd have to start with something. Mocks-ups based on existing layouts would be part of the experimentation process. I'm not sure that would be so bad. It's what comes after that is more important. I sympathize with you DSmooth and doodirock but I think you have to just let this play out before any serious condemnation is done.

It's sad it has come to this. I really hope that all the 2o4d members do not leave 2o2p. I was in the clan, and played with y'all when I was into COD4 and really like all y'all. I think everyone needs to just cool down, and then re-examine the situation once everyone has cooler heads.

I always knew Plato was wise...

I understand them wanting there own site hell most sites have blogs and forums and such but why use the 2old name??

They have prewrapped sausages but they don't have prewrapped bacon?

Even though it is a mock up can I still be pissed at Mike James and pretend he blogged there?

hickory bacon, game over...nice work Automan

This whole thing sucks. I've been away for a week of vacation, and then a week of work and I come back to find all this nonsense. Locking the forums seems childish. I'm glad you've opened them back up. Kudos to you for that. I joined 2o2play a little more than a year ago and started looking for a clan. I was attracted to 2o4D, mainly because it was obviously one of the more active clans. Since then, 2o4D has been my home, and my group of buddies. A lot of people from 2o4D put a lot into making the clan work -- we published our own clan newsletter, set up fun game type tournaments only in the clan, and we also had our own website for quite a while. It was rarely used, but allowed us to have a place where we could do things like create smaller competetive teams and have private team only forums, directory structure to post photos, etc. I knew the clan overlords were working on revitalizing the site, but frankly never saw it as something that was designed to compete with 2o2p -- just as a place to add extra clan functionality -- things that we either can't get here, or don't function well here (like tournament ladders). Perhaps the OL's had bigger and grander plans, perhaps not. I don't claim to know their motives. But this whole thing seems blown way out of proportion. It's too bad things can't be worked out, but I guess that's just the way it is. We'll all live. I'm sure I'll keep my 2o2play log in and check in from time to time, but I'm also equally sure I'll be spending more of my time with the 2o4D folks, wherever they end up, or call themselves. They are my friends and my clan.

Yesterday a frown This morning a smile Brunch time a frown On the average a person will text on a cell phone is 17 times per hour.

Palto can't be wise...he's Canadian. ROFL He's S-M-R-T!

@Sjam - barenaked ladies FTW...... So if I had a million dollars.

Fuck. A Canuk? If I had only known :)

it just hit me, they should join forces with fivesolas and create a super empire

D's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Damn right....its better than yours..... He can teach you.....but he'll have to charge.

Figures I always show up late and miss the cake. DAMMIT!!!!!!!

sjam......the only reason they put my pic up there is because they think I'm hot.....and that's ok, cause that's all they got!

that site design is tired...be original

+1 but you're still a dick.

To everyone claiming this is a site for "mature" gamers, WHAT FUCKING ROCK HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING UNDER? This site is NOT for MATURE gamers, never has been and never will be.

I get in enough trouble on my own, so I stayed out of it...sure you CAN be a dick while playing Halo but its all in good fun and I think you're a great person! :)

True Mike James, without you the ladies will not follow.

"Mature" in the sense that we all own hover rounds.

Wow, nice looking site. I didn't see a link though.

no link. Read the first paragraph in D's blog at the top, this was a mock up for a site that was going to be implemented in the near future.

They could not buy the free advertisement that you are giving them... You may as well post a link to their future site while you are at it. Focus on what you got here and not what you lost.

We are no longer 2old4Duty. Our Clan has decided to change the name out of respect for this Site and others. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. People have taken this the wrong way. Even myself at first. Talk about beating a Dead Horse already. Lets let this Shit go and move on. Save the Drama for your Ma ma. LoL I'm not going anywhere and neither is anyone else. Our Forums have just moved is all. Thats the way I see it.

I saw that right after i posted. It seems the problem is 2o4d wants more than what 2o2p can offer them with a simple clan forum. Seems 2o2p thinks this will take traffic away from the site, leaving them feel like they are being stabbed in the back. So why not offer special features to the 2o4d clan if they are willing to do the work, and have it all within the 2o2p infrastructure.

Can I get some ice cream with hot fudge and sprinkles please?

The answer to the original question it yes. I DO think you are a dick D. ;)

The whole copyright argument is mute. A name can be trademarked not copyrighted. A copyright is just for the published (written, photographic, etc.) content. DSmooth and Doodi could have talked to the OL of 2o4Duty but they didn’t. I feel like I was kicked out of a site and a shut out of a clan. A misunderstanding has been blown way out of proportion. DSmooth you are miffed at people judging you too quickly – but what did you do? Doodi the way to ask “what gives” is to the people involved not to the whole site. I think you guys have screwed the pooch here. Many of the 2o4Duty members promote 2old2play often. It’s in my Xbox gamercard bio and in many others. The opinions of the all the haters in the response to the blogs is BS. You are ass kissing and you don’t know what you are talking about. You are looking at the book but you are only seeing one page of the story. Perspective is everything and you can’t see everything from where you are. The picture is a moc up – not the actual site. The site has been up for a year and a half. Doodi knew of it and approved of it. It was never secret. It was used in addition to this site. No one was stealing anything. The site is not in competition with 2o2p. The reason it was made originally was because this site was down. The reason it was updated was to have better software for competition. The ladder software on this site has problems and that is not a secret! The “not just for Duty anymore” was because quite a few members are excited about the new shooters coming out in the next 6 months; Gears of War 2, Farcry 2, Fallout 3, Wolfenstien, etc. and/or Call of Duty World. At War. We want to continue to game together after some of these new releases. There’s more but no one asked! That’s the point –NO ONE ASKED!

My pic is up there, too, and, I did NOT blog there. Course, y'all know that already.

I'm on the fence on this still, i can't really side with either party on this. The pic was a mockup, i wouldn't jump to the conclusion that their intent is to rip stuff from 2o2p, rather the mockup is to demonstrate to members of duty who are 2o2p members how things would look on the clan website and keep the mock-up familiar by piecing in 2o2p content for the demo. I wouldn't expect that to be the case for the production site, if it is, then there's a big problem. With the copyright stuff, they can't copyright stuff if they're mirroring it off of 2o2p, 2o2p owns the copyright to original works they produce. Just like things i produce here, news stories for i 'own the copyright on because it's my original work. This blog comment by the way is copyright by default and i own the rights. Just like you own the rights to your blog posting etc. Unless people signed a TOS stating differently. So i think the blow up over the copyright stuff is unjustified honestly unless their intent was to clone 2o2p content in which case they can't, it is technically illegal and well legal stuff aside, it's just wrong. I can understand them wanting a more robust clan page. 2o2p's offerings are great to a certain point but once clan really wants to get serious and make a name for themselves outside of the 2o2p world, i can see why they would want their own page. Now i would have liked them to continue to use 2o2p's provided forums and it only be 2o2p people in the clan so they continue their bond with 2o2p. But this website by the mock-up seems to indicate they wanted to severe ties and i guess that's ok too. Just so long as the lines are severed and they don't try and suck members and content off 2o2p to better their own website. If you want to go it alone, then go it alone. But i still don't know enough from what their intentions were/are so i can't really make a solid judgement call. I'm still on the fence, wrongs in my opinion were done on both sides.

Still punching Bayman in his uterus.

WOW Crow for lunch and Dsmooth is serving it up. There is nothing original there just ripped off ala Vanilla Ice. Ice Ice Baby dum dum dum da da dum dum

If you fucktards only post in your own fucking forum and don't mingle with the rest of the site, then go suck each others dicks somewhere else. You fucking claim you stay away from cliques and the drama of tight-knit communities, but you just came out of the fucking closet as the biggest cock sucking cliques of the decade. I know there are some of you 2o4d guys that aren't like that because I see you all over the site and I can understand if you get pissed at me for talking like that about your sisters.

I know I shouldn't think it's hilarious...but I do. If people felt like they did nothing wrong, then no one would have gotten as defensive and out of control as they did. So say your apologies, and get back to playing video games. MJ ---You're my hero. :wink:

That site looks awesome.

Wow, all this from a guy who stole Doodi's blog banner and didn't even try to hide it ! lol 2old2play is a great site and I hate to see any of this drama.

can i still join 2o4d?

I miss sabre's rule. Not really. Free 5solas. Hypocrisy FTW I like cake.

Mike James is now twice the bastard he once was.

lol T3, tell us how you really feel.-

Pictures worth a thousand words, mockups are designed to give you a full idea of the direction of the site and how people will react when they see the homepage for the first time. I think, based on that, you can see the direction the site is taking and it's more than just clan forums. Is that bad? No, you can do whatever you want, you've gotta maintain the site, it's your job. But, a slight conflict of interest here... you're going to be recruiting people at 2old2play because the community is fairly huge and established...but then tell them "go to our website for posting your stuff, contests, oh, and yeah, we're gonna have some blogging stuff, and news areas if you want to post" - that, to me, is a conflict of interest. If you want to make a site with that much detail then you should do it, but don't ride on the 2o2p community to get there without partnering or building some type of "web bring" to keep a relation with both sites but separate directions on them, like gamestooge and 2old2play, same people run it, but with different audiences and different directions.

can't we all just get along?

i like cake