rookie learns to drive rwd

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#1 Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:36
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rookie learns to drive rwd

Hello,

in the EUSL series I now have to drive a Ford Mustang 05. My real first experience in rear wheel driving. I hadn't noticed, but in Forza I liked driving fwd cars. Now I know why!

To become quicker ....

- I hate it to be 8 seconds behind laptimes of those leaders (aliens?) -

[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7333578052_82aa780fb0.jpg[/img]

.... I have decided: For the next three months I will only drive rwd cars. I've bought some and some tunes. Here examples from my collection from f to d class.

Toyota Supra (as young man this was a "wish car" for me), Datsun and Nissan.

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8004/7345705338_01327dfcd1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8159/7160497135_6456de9536.jpg[/img]

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7345705564_2130b9f833.jpg[/img]

Two questions:

1.) If I can handle rwd cars, than I can handle fwd, right? Any tipps and hints for a rookie (breaking, throttle, steering,....)?

2.) Is there a track, which you prefer for training with a "unkown" car?

By the way: I will stay away from track nights and other events, due to my personal training programm:

First goal: RWD driving - Second goal: Mustang driving - this week Infineon Nascar - Third goal: Next EUSL-Car and his tracks - Fourth goal: A podium in 2012!

May be I am taking this all too serious???? It is just a game, right? cool

JDANKERT

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:48
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Actually the track nights are probably a perfect training ground.  Lets you start w/ lower powered cars working your way up in performance as you become more familiar w/ the track, even if you end up just running mostly stock cars.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:02 (Reply to #2)
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Sherb wrote:

Actually the track nights are probably a perfect training ground.  Lets you start w/ lower powered cars working your way up in performance as you become more familiar w/ the track, even if you end up just running mostly stock cars.

Also, you're on a single track, so that's a variable removed, and you have a wealth of people in there to help with questions/suggestions on cars, lines, etc while running.

Track nights are a huge resource for those that are starting out, or trying something new. Even the people you'd regularly associate with crazy fast will pull out cars they don't normally run and tend to be a bit slower than you'd expect. It's for fun, no stress, and a great way to try stuff out, ask questions and such.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:51
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I will help you JDankert :)

RWD and FWD are two very very different driving styles, you can usually get on the power with RWD much earlier than FWD because of the better rotation you get.   With this in mind, think about what you must do in corners...yeah you got it, throttle steer.   But the art to RWD is keep the car stable, smooth inputs and learning the cars characterstics wll help you go faster. 

 

Brakes = Shift lock and be your enemy or your friend.  If you shift down to fast and too hard (no throttle blips) then you risk breaking the rear loose and unsettle the car through the whole corner.  This is actually the last thing i work on with people, I tell them to brake early to set car up for the corner and leave it at that.   If you brake late, lock the wheels and steer your traction goes all over the place, the car will react aggressively and you can easily loose .500 second on the corner!! 

 

Throttle = Easy in theory, hard to feel for.   A car with too much grip just wont rotate ont he throttle and is very boring to drive.   So i'd recommend getting in the A class RX7 in the euro garage i've built especially for training.  Take it round nurburg GP, and take it round slowly at first to learn the course.  Then start apply power gradually out of the corners, keep doing it more and more untill the car starts to slide. Just before it slides, back off the steering and see if you can rotate it with the throttle - The idea is to get out of the corner with as much throttle as you can, with as little steering and slide as you can.   (I rarely hit full throttle whilst steerling lock is applied, but i usually start accelerating at or just before the apex) 

Steering - Heavily tied into the throttle, more power = less lock. 

 

Two tracks, Start with Motegi West, practice getting out the double right hander with throttle on, nurburg gp because it has alot of late apex's and requires very good throtlle managment. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:24
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I forgot to mention some key things. 

 

Its not always about keep the throttle planted to go faster, some times a slight lift to 80% or some times less will get you though a corner much better. 

 

Times to think about lifting - never all the way. 

The car gets outta shape

Bump in the road that might cause it to get out of shape 

Touch the curb

contact. 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 01:02
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Hello,

@oldschool: Okay, I will join. Your argumentation is convincing.

@tourni: Thank you. Your race school car is ........ tricky ...... Wow.

JDANKERT

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 01:08
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Yeah it is a little bit :)  - But i will get with you soon  and run it around.  :)

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