You know, smartglass would be good to use with a track map during the race. Take it off the HUD and put it there. It could be much larger with much more info as well. Too bad no one wants to discuss this...LOL.
I tried using the iPad Smart Glass app with Horizon and it did not do anything for me. Seemed like a gimmick.
Horizon Live map was only compatible with SmartGlass on Windows phones. Love MS
I was able to use it on my iPad. There is an app for it. I was able to find a location/objective and select it on the iPad then the driving line would show on the game screen. Very cool.
You know, smartglass would be good to use with a track map during the race. Take it off the HUD and put it there. It could be much larger with much more info as well. Too bad no one wants to discuss this...LOL.
Or....you could just learn the track. You getting lost, Snappy?
You know, smartglass would be good to use with a track map during the race. Take it off the HUD and put it there. It could be much larger with much more info as well. Too bad no one wants to discuss this...LOL.
Or....you could just learn the track. You getting lost, Snappy?
Not lost. I was thinking it could have the track map show the positions of the drivers in real time and show their relative lap times etc. You could also have your fast, best and last laps on there. It wasn't bad in Horizon. It was the game that I couldn't get into. It was good because you didn't have to keep pausing the game to check the map.
You know, smartglass would be good to use with a track map during the race. Take it off the HUD and put it there. It could be much larger with much more info as well. Too bad no one wants to discuss this...LOL.
Or....you could just learn the track. You getting lost, Snappy?
Not lost. I was thinking it could have the track map show the positions of the drivers in real time and show their relative lap times etc. You could also have your fast, best and last laps on there. It wasn't bad in Horizon. It was the game that I couldn't get into. It was good because you didn't have to keep pausing the game to check the map.
I'm with you. This would be a good use of it. Perhaps historical sector times for hot lapping and tuning? Apex speed mapping? Could it be used to dynamically review cornering, showing a static plan view of last/fastest lap line in a given corner to improve technique.
Tell the truth I do not know much about this, so its all probably way beyond what's possible.
Main reasons thus far will be a change of tracks, cars and tuning. I'll miss the community alot, but there are only a handfull of races that i really enjoyed when i look back in forza 4. MX5, endurance, britcar and Skylines. Forza 3 was more enjoyable and forza 2 was more than 3. I feel they've focused too much on the graphics and they will have messed up the physics again.
I'm taking a leap of faith, but i wont take it untill the consoles are after their honey moon status. So we'll see what happens :)
Main reasons thus far will be a change of tracks, cars and tuning. I'll miss the community alot, but there are only a handfull of races that i really enjoyed when i look back in forza 4. MX5, endurance, britcar and Skylines. Forza 3 was more enjoyable and forza 2 was more than 3. I feel they've focused too much on the graphics and they will have messed up the physics again.
I'm taking a leap of faith, but i wont take it untill the consoles are after their honey moon status. So we'll see what happens :)
That's sad to hear but I totally understand. I think going with GT6 is a smart move if you already have the PS3 (which I'm assuming you do) since its a cheaper investment. You can always wait to hear our reviews of the game and any changes made then decide later if you want to dump large chunks of dough. Then there is the wheel issue, which is yet to be clarified. I am hoping that the wheel by Thrustmaster is a technical advancement for wheels and that the Madcatz wheel is a more "entry level" type wheel. Still would suck to not be able to use any Fanatec wheesl but I have faith in Basherboards.
SmartGlass works well on my Samsung Galaxy S3 (can't afford S4 yet, I'm happy with my S3). Only problem with using SmartGlass while playing is it kills the battery quick, especially if you have the screen always on. But would be helpful in the telemetry aspect. Or seeing past ways you've taken corners and see what worked the best producing the best enterance and exit speeds. A way to help improve your driving. Even being able to see what everyone else is running lap time wise without haveing to pause the game. Even taking screenshots or saving end of race finishes rather than having everyone call out what places everyone got at the end of a race. It sucks having 15-20 secs at the end of the race to see what place people finished in and writing it all down. Or watching a 45 min replay and FF it in 10 sec increments BLOWS!
Yeah its not a definate Snappy and as per my post, I won't be persuing any thing until people have their proper opinions out.
The trailer for forza didn't wow me so much and i'm wondering what direction they have taken (consumer or racer.) Truth is, only the real thing on either side will tell us for sure :)
I'm playing the optimist and have already preordered my XBone and Forza 5. However, disappointment is frequently a by-product of optimism. We won't know until November.
Well, I have already been disappointed with some of the info but I've also seen some additions that I think will be cool. Graphics will be awesome. I know some people say that don't care about graphics but I will say this: it adds to immersion in ANY game, I expect graphic improvements with every new game, so in short - graphics are important. T10 is claiming that track conditions will change dynamically with rubber build up off line etc. That interests me. I also have faith that they won't go arcade style with the physics. We also have open wheel cars coming. Another item folks have said they don't care about. Which is fine, but I bet more people will like them once they've tried them. The only two things that make me nervous is the lack of info on wheel support and not knowing if we truly will get NEW tracks. Oh....and the cost.
Well, I have already been disappointed with some of the info but I've also seen some additions that I think will be cool. Graphics will be awesome. I know some people say that don't care about graphics but I will say this: it adds to immersion in ANY game, I expect graphic improvements with every new game, so in short - graphics are important. T10 is claiming that track conditions will change dynamically with rubber build up off line etc. That interests me. I also have faith that they won't go arcade style with the physics. We also have open wheel cars coming. Another item folks have said they don't care about. Which is fine, but I bet more people will like them once they've tried them. The only two things that make me nervous is the lack of info on wheel support and not knowing if we truly will get NEW tracks. Oh....and the cost.
Snappy, I am with you. Graphics are very important to me as well, you might even call me a graphics whore. I am playing the Project CARS alpha on a weekly basis, as well as the Assetto Corsa tech demo and so I have gotten a nice peak into the world of next gen graphics. I have no doubt that Forza 5 will be roughly equivalent in the graphics department and that is important to me. What Forza has over those games, however, is car selection. Right now, Project CARS only has 4 or 5 cars that are worth my time, because they have awesome FFB and physics. The other 20 or so cars are rough to say the least. Forza 5 will have hundreds of cars. Lack of wheel support is a real bummer, but I have already resigned myself to playing Forza 5 with the improved Xbox One controller. If Turn 10 pulls a rabbit out of the hat and provides for T500 and/or Clubsport wheel compatibility, that will be a nice surprise.
I also have faith that they won't go arcade style with the physics.
Mr. Negative Parcells also believes this and strictly speaking the physics should be better (I would honestly put money on it) if only by a small margin. Its the "small margin" I hope Turn 10 surprises me with which remains concerning. That and a speculative disappointment with the shitty tracks we'll be graced with keeps my mouth spewing fear and monger about FM5.
I'll be waiting for your review Jones... It'll be one of the less biased "sponsored" reviews out there. :)
I agree with both of you to a certain extent, but immersion is more than just graphics for me. Its the virtual feel of the car, the sounds and the looks and forza 4 was lacking in that department. I can't wait to see how this all unfolds, it'll certainly be an interesting shake down. I wouldn't bet on which one is going to be the better game, thats for sure.
I'll be waiting for your review Jones... It'll be one of the less biased "sponsored" reviews out there. :)
I agree with both of you to a certain extent, but immersion is more than just graphics for me. Its the virtual feel of the car, the sounds and the looks and forza 4 was lacking in that department. I can't wait to see how this all unfolds, it'll certainly be an interesting shake down. I wouldn't bet on which one is going to be the better game, thats for sure.
Oh, make no mistake, I have no sponsor. I rent or buy almost every game and car pack I review. That being said I would not be opposed to some sort of sponsorship. I could end my reviews with something like " and remember folks, if you have a cough or suffer from chest congestion, then try Tourni's Syrup. A natural formula with no codeine or alcohol, so you can keep it between the ditches when you race."
I'm sticking with Microsoft largely because of my positive experience with 2O4F. The guys here pretend to like me and I reciprocate. I'm in the unenviable position of being able to afford only one console and maintain one subscription...so I'm going with the one who brung me. By the time it's all said and done, I don't think there will be enough of a difference between the two systems and services to make much of a difference: they're both providing to gamers who all want the same things. So, I'm going to play the game I like to race with the folks that I already like to race with. You're right about Forza 3, it was the shit!
Tourni there's one thing I know from personal experience, if you use the same controller config as on 360 it has terrible triggers (bending inward), analog steering stick placement isn't comfortable & my thumb keeps slipping off. On top of that it's tiny if you've got reasonably large hands which makes it even more uncomfortable (my hands cramp up very quick). Basically if you go PS3 with GT6, run with a wheel.
In terms of graphics: there are currently NO games available that can be truly considered next gen. What we have seen of FM5 is nothing. Wait till it comes out and we see it in person. it will be sick. When i first went from component video to 1080p via a HDMI cable i couldnt beleive the difference. it was like an entirely different game. Unless someone was at E3 looking at/playing the demo on on a screen pumping 1080p they haven't truly seen next gen graphics yet. Those YouTube clips are good but remember, they have to be compressed and the quality gets lost. Graphically, the critics there were blown away. 60fps they said was rediclulously smooth. I'm not trying to be argumentative about it and I wish I could find some of the articles I have read and post them here. The simple explanation is that any game that will be played on current gen has to make certain sacrifices for the sake of compatability. Even when the next gen games come out there will be a number of updates and changes to them. And, if you add to that how games improve over time on a given platform because developers "learn" the machine and how to be more efficient (with Xbone you have to add in the computing power of the cloud) and you get real drastic change.
This is an exciting time for gaming simply because on top of graphics improvements we will see some Real changes in gaming. We will no longer play an adventure game on a "map". They will be more like "worlds" that are not only huge but actually change and react to what players are doing. No more memorizing areas in a game. The shit will change on you. T10 is saying that FM5's tracks are going to build up clag and that the roads will experience a change in grip level depending on whether you go off the racing line, etc.
In terms of graphics: there are currently NO games available that can be truly considered next gen. What we have seen of FM5 is nothing. Wait till it comes out and we see it in person. it will be sick. When i first went from component video to 1080p via a HDMI cable i couldnt beleive the difference. it was like an entirely different game. Unless someone was at E3 looking at/playing the demo on on a screen pumping 1080p they haven't truly seen next gen graphics yet. Those YouTube clips are good but remember, they have to be compressed and the quality gets lost. Graphically, the critics there were blown away. 60fps they said was rediclulously smooth. I'm not trying to be argumentative about it and I wish I could find some of the articles I have read and post them here. The simple explanation is that any game that will be played on current gen has to make certain sacrifices for the sake of compatability. Even when the next gen games come out there will be a number of updates and changes to them. And, if you add to that how games improve over time on a given platform because developers "learn" the machine and how to be more efficient (with Xbone you have to add in the computing power of the cloud) and you get real drastic change.
This is an exciting time for gaming simply because on top of graphics improvements we will see some Real changes in gaming. We will no longer play an adventure game on a "map". They will be more like "worlds" that are not only huge but actually change and react to what players are doing. No more memorizing areas in a game. The shit will change on you. T10 is saying that FM5's tracks are going to build up clag and that the roads will experience a change in grip level depending on whether you go off the racing line, etc.
I'll go look for those articles now...
We will have to wait and see to know for sure, but I find it very hard to believe that Project CARS, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2 and iRacing graphics on high end PCs are not going to be comparable to Forza 5. I would be very interested in any articles that make this point. The reality is that the current consoles are wildly behind the PC, but Forza 5 is going to catch them up, at least in the graphics department.
This is a good article Snappy. As the comments reveal, however, the author makes several assertions that simply do not hold water, but I appreciate his point that we really do not have true next gen yet, which is true generally. My focus on next gen is with regard to racing games, and in particular, graphics. I don't think its fair to say, as the author of the article indirectly implies with his Crysis 3 example, that Project CARS, rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and iRacing at Ultra settings are not next gen in the graphics department. Project CARS, for example, is being developed first and foremost on the PC and it will look much better on the PC than on any of the current gen consoles. I recently compared the Xbox 360 version of F1 2012 to the PC version and its night and day. The problem with the length of the current console title is that the gap between PC and console has widened considerably, at least in the graphics department. But, that being said, the nice thing about the Xbox One and the PS4 is that the gap will narrow significantly and so I expect Forza 5 to look incredible. If they make an Xbox One version of Project CARs, I also expect it to look amazing.
All of that being said, here is the best quote in the article:
"While graphical improvements are always the most striking and obvious feature of the next generation of gaming when it arrives, in many ways it is a smokescreen, a visual sleight of hand used to impress the public and demonstrate in a easily recognised way the improvements over old technology. This causes many to mistakenly identify improved graphics as evidence of next-gen gaming. As with many things, the truth is really much more complicated. It’s going to be a while into the new generation before we start seeing true next-gen gaming, as it will take some time for developers to adapt to the improved technology available."
"It’s going to be a while into the new generation before we start seeing true next-gen gaming, as it will take some time for developers to adapt to the improved technology available."
I don't think its going to take too long for developers to get up to speed since the consoles are basically moving to pc hardware. I read somewhere, sorry can't remember where so that I could post a link, but the programing will be in line with the type of programing used in pc games. So companies won't have to learn a new programing style like they did with the 360. I'm gonna have to look for that article now.
I think that is also my problem Jones, If i could afford both consols then i would probably have them and i wouldn't be in such a dilema now. Some very interestng points by snappy and zero, both of which are very valid arguemtns.
I waiting to see how it unfolds, I guress my point was more that forza was starting to leave a sour taste but there is no reason why it couldn't turn out to be an awesome game again. :)
I think that is also my problem Jones, If i could afford both consols then i would probably have them and i wouldn't be in such a dilema now. Some very interestng points by snappy and zero, both of which are very valid arguemtns.
I waiting to see how it unfolds, I guress my point was more that forza was starting to leave a sour taste but there is no reason why it couldn't turn out to be an awesome game again. :)
You can get PS3 super cheap now days. I bet when the PS4 comes out they will be selling for £50 or less :) . I won't be able to get a PS4 and X1 but should be able to get a PS3 for GT6 and X1 for FM5. I am surprised that GT6 is out on the PS3 though.
I was able to use it on my iPad. There is an app for it. I was able to find a location/objective and select it on the iPad then the driving line would show on the game screen. Very cool.
Not lost. I was thinking it could have the track map show the positions of the drivers in real time and show their relative lap times etc. You could also have your fast, best and last laps on there. It wasn't bad in Horizon. It was the game that I couldn't get into. It was good because you didn't have to keep pausing the game to check the map.
I'm with you. This would be a good use of it. Perhaps historical sector times for hot lapping and tuning? Apex speed mapping? Could it be used to dynamically review cornering, showing a static plan view of last/fastest lap line in a given corner to improve technique.
Tell the truth I do not know much about this, so its all probably way beyond what's possible.
I think i'll be moving to the GT series.
Main reasons thus far will be a change of tracks, cars and tuning. I'll miss the community alot, but there are only a handfull of races that i really enjoyed when i look back in forza 4. MX5, endurance, britcar and Skylines. Forza 3 was more enjoyable and forza 2 was more than 3. I feel they've focused too much on the graphics and they will have messed up the physics again.
I'm taking a leap of faith, but i wont take it untill the consoles are after their honey moon status. So we'll see what happens :)
That's sad to hear but I totally understand. I think going with GT6 is a smart move if you already have the PS3 (which I'm assuming you do) since its a cheaper investment. You can always wait to hear our reviews of the game and any changes made then decide later if you want to dump large chunks of dough. Then there is the wheel issue, which is yet to be clarified. I am hoping that the wheel by Thrustmaster is a technical advancement for wheels and that the Madcatz wheel is a more "entry level" type wheel. Still would suck to not be able to use any Fanatec wheesl but I have faith in Basherboards.
SmartGlass works well on my Samsung Galaxy S3 (can't afford S4 yet, I'm happy with my S3). Only problem with using SmartGlass while playing is it kills the battery quick, especially if you have the screen always on. But would be helpful in the telemetry aspect. Or seeing past ways you've taken corners and see what worked the best producing the best enterance and exit speeds. A way to help improve your driving. Even being able to see what everyone else is running lap time wise without haveing to pause the game. Even taking screenshots or saving end of race finishes rather than having everyone call out what places everyone got at the end of a race. It sucks having 15-20 secs at the end of the race to see what place people finished in and writing it all down. Or watching a 45 min replay and FF it in 10 sec increments BLOWS!
Set room to No Timer, and take a phone pic of the results screen, done...easy peasy...
Yeah its not a definate Snappy and as per my post, I won't be persuing any thing until people have their proper opinions out.
The trailer for forza didn't wow me so much and i'm wondering what direction they have taken (consumer or racer.) Truth is, only the real thing on either side will tell us for sure :)
I'm playing the optimist and have already preordered my XBone and Forza 5. However, disappointment is frequently a by-product of optimism. We won't know until November.
Well, I have already been disappointed with some of the info but I've also seen some additions that I think will be cool. Graphics will be awesome. I know some people say that don't care about graphics but I will say this: it adds to immersion in ANY game, I expect graphic improvements with every new game, so in short - graphics are important. T10 is claiming that track conditions will change dynamically with rubber build up off line etc. That interests me. I also have faith that they won't go arcade style with the physics. We also have open wheel cars coming. Another item folks have said they don't care about. Which is fine, but I bet more people will like them once they've tried them. The only two things that make me nervous is the lack of info on wheel support and not knowing if we truly will get NEW tracks. Oh....and the cost.
Snappy, I am with you. Graphics are very important to me as well, you might even call me a graphics whore. I am playing the Project CARS alpha on a weekly basis, as well as the Assetto Corsa tech demo and so I have gotten a nice peak into the world of next gen graphics. I have no doubt that Forza 5 will be roughly equivalent in the graphics department and that is important to me. What Forza has over those games, however, is car selection. Right now, Project CARS only has 4 or 5 cars that are worth my time, because they have awesome FFB and physics. The other 20 or so cars are rough to say the least. Forza 5 will have hundreds of cars. Lack of wheel support is a real bummer, but I have already resigned myself to playing Forza 5 with the improved Xbox One controller. If Turn 10 pulls a rabbit out of the hat and provides for T500 and/or Clubsport wheel compatibility, that will be a nice surprise.
Mr. Negative Parcells also believes this and strictly speaking the physics should be better (I would honestly put money on it) if only by a small margin. Its the "small margin" I hope Turn 10 surprises me with which remains concerning. That and a speculative disappointment with the shitty tracks we'll be graced with keeps my mouth spewing fear and monger about FM5..gif "112")
Craig,
You *might* be a graphics whore?
I'll be waiting for your review Jones... It'll be one of the less biased "sponsored" reviews out there. :)
I agree with both of you to a certain extent, but immersion is more than just graphics for me. Its the virtual feel of the car, the sounds and the looks and forza 4 was lacking in that department. I can't wait to see how this all unfolds, it'll certainly be an interesting shake down. I wouldn't bet on which one is going to be the better game, thats for sure.
I'm sticking with Microsoft largely because of my positive experience with 2O4F. The guys here pretend to like me and I reciprocate. I'm in the unenviable position of being able to afford only one console and maintain one subscription...so I'm going with the one who brung me. By the time it's all said and done, I don't think there will be enough of a difference between the two systems and services to make much of a difference: they're both providing to gamers who all want the same things. So, I'm going to play the game I like to race with the folks that I already like to race with. You're right about Forza 3, it was the shit!
Tourni there's one thing I know from personal experience, if you use the same controller config as on 360 it has terrible triggers (bending inward), analog steering stick placement isn't comfortable & my thumb keeps slipping off. On top of that it's tiny if you've got reasonably large hands which makes it even more uncomfortable (my hands cramp up very quick).
Basically if you go PS3 with GT6, run with a wheel.
That is my intention KC.
In terms of graphics: there are currently NO games available that can be truly considered next gen. What we have seen of FM5 is nothing. Wait till it comes out and we see it in person. it will be sick. When i first went from component video to 1080p via a HDMI cable i couldnt beleive the difference. it was like an entirely different game. Unless someone was at E3 looking at/playing the demo on on a screen pumping 1080p they haven't truly seen next gen graphics yet. Those YouTube clips are good but remember, they have to be compressed and the quality gets lost. Graphically, the critics there were blown away. 60fps they said was rediclulously smooth. I'm not trying to be argumentative about it and I wish I could find some of the articles I have read and post them here. The simple explanation is that any game that will be played on current gen has to make certain sacrifices for the sake of compatability. Even when the next gen games come out there will be a number of updates and changes to them. And, if you add to that how games improve over time on a given platform because developers "learn" the machine and how to be more efficient (with Xbone you have to add in the computing power of the cloud) and you get real drastic change.
This is an exciting time for gaming simply because on top of graphics improvements we will see some Real changes in gaming. We will no longer play an adventure game on a "map". They will be more like "worlds" that are not only huge but actually change and react to what players are doing. No more memorizing areas in a game. The shit will change on you. T10 is saying that FM5's tracks are going to build up clag and that the roads will experience a change in grip level depending on whether you go off the racing line, etc.
I'll go look for those articles now...
We will have to wait and see to know for sure, but I find it very hard to believe that Project CARS, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2 and iRacing graphics on high end PCs are not going to be comparable to Forza 5. I would be very interested in any articles that make this point. The reality is that the current consoles are wildly behind the PC, but Forza 5 is going to catch them up, at least in the graphics department.
Let me know what you think:
http://www.zero1gaming.com/2013/05/20/high-end-pc-gaming-gen-laugh/
This is a good article Snappy. As the comments reveal, however, the author makes several assertions that simply do not hold water, but I appreciate his point that we really do not have true next gen yet, which is true generally. My focus on next gen is with regard to racing games, and in particular, graphics. I don't think its fair to say, as the author of the article indirectly implies with his Crysis 3 example, that Project CARS, rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and iRacing at Ultra settings are not next gen in the graphics department. Project CARS, for example, is being developed first and foremost on the PC and it will look much better on the PC than on any of the current gen consoles. I recently compared the Xbox 360 version of F1 2012 to the PC version and its night and day. The problem with the length of the current console title is that the gap between PC and console has widened considerably, at least in the graphics department. But, that being said, the nice thing about the Xbox One and the PS4 is that the gap will narrow significantly and so I expect Forza 5 to look incredible. If they make an Xbox One version of Project CARs, I also expect it to look amazing.
All of that being said, here is the best quote in the article:
"While graphical improvements are always the most striking and obvious feature of the next generation of gaming when it arrives, in many ways it is a smokescreen, a visual sleight of hand used to impress the public and demonstrate in a easily recognised way the improvements over old technology. This causes many to mistakenly identify improved graphics as evidence of next-gen gaming. As with many things, the truth is really much more complicated. It’s going to be a while into the new generation before we start seeing true next-gen gaming, as it will take some time for developers to adapt to the improved technology available."
I don't think its going to take too long for developers to get up to speed since the consoles are basically moving to pc hardware. I read somewhere, sorry can't remember where so that I could post a link, but the programing will be in line with the type of programing used in pc games. So companies won't have to learn a new programing style like they did with the 360. I'm gonna have to look for that article now.
I think that is also my problem Jones, If i could afford both consols then i would probably have them and i wouldn't be in such a dilema now. Some very interestng points by snappy and zero, both of which are very valid arguemtns.
I waiting to see how it unfolds, I guress my point was more that forza was starting to leave a sour taste but there is no reason why it couldn't turn out to be an awesome game again. :)
If it's anything like Windows, every other version is a winner...we're due right?
Well there is talk about it being designed using ps4 technology... So i'm sure it'll be out on there not long after.
Although, the thought of Church in night racing is going to be a disaster... :D
How about wet weather night racing.....at the Ring or Lemans?.gif "160")
At what distance do you place brake markers for 260mph on wet pavement?