Thursday night replacement for the Escort series.

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#1 Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:03
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Thursday night replacement for the Escort series.

I have a couple ideas for a replacement for the Escort series.

 

1st series.

Multiclass A and B. BMW/M3 series.

Cars: BMW 2002, E30 M3, E36 M3, E46M3.

 

Other series, multiclass A and B, or A and S. This would be an AI/AIX muscle car series. Cars would include: 93 Mustang Cobra, 95 Mustang Cobra R, IROC Camaro, 98 Camaro, Buick Regal GNX, and possible other domestic V8 muscle cars.

 

 

 

I'm leaning towards the BMW series because obviously those are the cars I like, but also because the reduced number of cars will make building equal cars easier. (The real AI/AIX series includes muscle cars from the original pony cars up to current Mustang/Camaro/Challenger)

 

 

Which would you guys like to race in?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:47
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I'm fine with either really. I just want to race. The only thing I would change from the escort series would be the hdcp process. With only having a couple laps to determine the hdcp just does not seem to work at times. I like the btcc/seat formula only with a slight twist. Podium finishers move up 5%, bottom half of that race participants drop 5%(16 drivers, bottom 8 finishers drop 5%). Will make your job easier. In any event, I look forward to seeing this going. Thanks
Mon, 04/22/2013 - 11:34
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Doesnt matter.... I want to drive!
Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:03
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Multi class?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:18
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Yes. Even if we only have 10 guys that's 5 in each. It was just a thought. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 17:01 (Reply to #5)
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BMWENTHUSIAST wrote:

Yes. Even if we only have 10 guys that's 5 in each. It was just a thought. 

Yea well, I would rather have 10 guys to race against then 5.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 17:23 (Reply to #6)
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brntguy wrote:

I would rather have 10 guys to race against then 5.

Parcells too brnt but since I'm not participating I'm only here to support your cause!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 06:12 (Reply to #7)
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Parcells2 wrote:

brntguy wrote:

I would rather have 10 guys to race against then 5.

Parcells too brnt but since I'm not participating I'm only here to support your cause!

You know, like a jock strap...

I tend to agree with Brnt, more guys in same class, you could always alternate classes, or hold one of each?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 07:58 (Reply to #8)
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oldschoolsmart wrote:

Parcells2 wrote:

brntguy wrote:

I would rather have 10 guys to race against then 5.

Parcells too brnt but since I'm not participating I'm only here to support your cause!

You know, like a jock strap...

I tend to agree with Brnt, more guys in same class, you could always alternate classes, or hold one of each?

 

Ya might do that.

B class one week, A the next etc,etc.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 08:06
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However it ends up, I'd just like to race so I'm in as well

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 08:20
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I think the BMW series sounds fun. It would be cool to give a little more leeway in the build so I think I might do a class PI rating, and car restriction but the build is up to the driver.

Race 1 B500 BMW 2002

Race 2 A600 BMW E46

Race 3 C425 BMW 2002, BMW CSL drivers choice.

Race 4 B500 BMW E30 M3

Race 5 A600 BMW E36 M3

Race 6 M coupe challenge. Z3 or Z4 Coupe A600

Race 7 BMW 1M A600

 

Something like that.

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 08:42
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What ever you wanna do is ok.   Not a big fan of multi class for the reason Brnt gave butttt

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 09:39
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The thing that is nice about multi class for me is when the faster guys come up on the lower class cars and have to work around them.  The problem is that there just isnt enough laps in our races to bring them into play.  the only way to do that would be to have a larger difference in the classes and that takes the fun out of it running such a lower class on a meduim to large track.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:34 (Reply to #13)
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GrimGrnninGhost wrote:

The thing that is nice about multi class for me is when the faster guys come up on the lower class cars and have to work around them. 

I hear that argument a lot and it begs the question…what fun is passing (or being passed by) a car that you’re not the least bit competitive with?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:39 (Reply to #14)
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Parcells2 wrote:

GrimGrnninGhost wrote:

The thing that is nice about multi class for me is when the faster guys come up on the lower class cars and have to work around them. 

I hear that argument a lot and it begs the question…what fun is passing (or being passed by) a car that you’re not the least bit competitive with?

This is the most lucid thing I've ever heard Parcells utter...right on point.

Of course, on second thought, it doesn't really sound like Parcells...

 

 

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:52 (Reply to #15)
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Parcells2 wrote:

GrimGrnninGhost wrote:

The thing that is nice about multi class for me is when the faster guys come up on the lower class cars and have to work around them. 

I hear that argument a lot and it begs the question…what fun is passing (or being passed by) a car that you’re not the least bit competitive with?

I can see two reasons for the interest. 1 - its adding a different aspect to the game. Not something to do on a regular basis though. 2 - for the newer guys, driving a B class car is easier than driving an S class. The higher the class, the larger the separation based on skill there is and speaking as a newer driver, its not alot of fun running so far in the back with no one to race with or a chance to win. If there were a multi class with enough of a separation you would see a bit more control from the less experienced drivers. just my $.02. All that said, im fine with or without for an occasional race now and then.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:24 (Reply to #16)
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GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
The higher the class, the larger the separation based on skill there is .

I would argue the lower the class the greater the separation based on skill. The better someone is at carrying momentum, and at being smooth and not making mistakes, the better the lower the class.

Every mistake is absolutely critical in an F class car where you don't have any power to compensate.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:35 (Reply to #17)
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oldschoolsmart wrote:

GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
The higher the class, the larger the separation based on skill there is .

I would argue the lower the class the greater the separation based on skill. The better someone is at carrying momentum, and at being smooth and not making mistakes, the better the lower the class.

Every mistake is absolutely critical in an F class car where you don't have any power to compensate.

time wise, that is true however, less experienced guys will make fewer "big" off track errors in lower classes. The bigger thing though in the int lower classes, the faster guys my have a larger time gap in the lower classes however we can still see you on the track and perhaps still see your driving line to help improve our skill.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:50 (Reply to #18)
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GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
oldschoolsmart wrote:

GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
The higher the class, the larger the separation based on skill there is .

I would argue the lower the class the greater the separation based on skill. The better someone is at carrying momentum, and at being smooth and not making mistakes, the better the lower the class.

Every mistake is absolutely critical in an F class car where you don't have any power to compensate.

time wise, that is true however, less experienced guys will make fewer "big" off track errors in lower classes. The bigger thing though in the int lower classes, the faster guys my have a larger time gap in the lower classes however we can still see you on the track and perhaps still see your driving line to help improve our skill.

Excellent points!!!

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 10:52 (Reply to #19)
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GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
oldschoolsmart wrote:

GrimGrnninGhost wrote:
The higher the class, the larger the separation based on skill there is .

I would argue the lower the class the greater the separation based on skill. The better someone is at carrying momentum, and at being smooth and not making mistakes, the better the lower the class.

Every mistake is absolutely critical in an F class car where you don't have any power to compensate.

time wise, that is true however, less experienced guys will make fewer "big" off track errors in lower classes. The bigger thing though in the int lower classes, the faster guys my have a larger time gap in the lower classes however we can still see you on the track and perhaps still see your driving line to help improve our skill.

This is true.

While the lower classes are about maintaining momentum, in the higher classes mistakes create much wider gaps in much less time.  You'll see it on track nights.  In F the field is all relatively close together, where by the time you hit R3 you can have a gap of 1000's of ft in one lap.

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 10:14
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I like the PI rating and specific car as governing factors.  This makes it easier for slower guys (like me) to build a tighter, grippier car.  Evern though that may not make us faster, it allows us to drive more consistently, getting real race practice hitting our spots.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 15:01
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yes good points but fast drivers vs. slow drivers has NOTHING to do with debating the merits of multi class racing which is what Parcells was up to.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 05:47
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Well, give 'em all 16 F class Rabbits and the top 8 get to run top class, bottom eight the lower? I don't get what we're talking about at this point?

I'd prefer 15 chances to not be last than 5...

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 02:33
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