99% of my gaming purchases are during either Steam sales, amazon sales, or origin sales. I picked up battlefield 3 for $10 within 3 months of launch. If fact, I rarely spend over $10 on a game. Even older console games sell for considerably more.
99% of my gaming purchases are during either Steam sales, amazon sales, or origin sales. I picked up battlefield 3 for $10 within 3 months of launch. If fact, I rarely spend over $10 on a game. Even older console games sell for considerably more.
Same here, paying full-price on Steam is, unless you absolutely have to play on zeroday, a bit wasteful. Usually, within 12 weeks, Steam rebounds with a sale on quite new titles.
I'm going to play games and have fun today rather than worry about a chance of something happening decades from now that will prevent me from playing the games I have today at that point in time.
I think its a bit silly to refuse to play fun games because of some chance of them not working many years in the future. I don't play games today so that I can have fun decades from now, I play games today so that I'm having fun while playing them.
If I knew my copy of Battlezone for PC wouldn't be able to be played on me PC today, would I have not purchased it all those years ago? Shit no, that was fun and I had a blast playing it for hours - even with friends. Why the hell would I have given up those fun times because of my inability to play it today? That's ridiculous to me :)
Ya that's something that concerns me with all this virtual media stuff. If i have something physical in my hand, at least I know it can't get taken away from me by the company, a hacker or a computer glitch.
On the other hand, a totally virtual media based world does open up some other interest possibilities should I ever be able to give up control of my 'stuff' to someone else.
If companies don't want us to own anything outright, then they should stop selling us stuff outright and come up with some type of rental model that works for everyone involved. I'm totally against paying $60 for a game and being told i don't own it and what i can and can-not do with it. Where as if you rent it to me for a buck a day or something and I hav eto give it back when I"m done, ok i'm on board with that. I rarely ever play a game longer than 30 days.
Ya that's something that concerns me with all this virtual media stuff. If i have something physical in my hand, at least I know it can't get taken away from me by the company, a hacker or a computer glitch.
True, but try installing an OS9 Power PC game disc on an OSX Intel machine, etc. Eventually everything becomes obsolete.
True, True.... I think the whole issue of what to do withyour digital catalog when the next platform comes out is something different. When it comes to video games, I don't really care personally because i'm not interested in playing last gen games when the next gen comes out. For others obviously, this is a hot topic.
Ya that's something that concerns me with all this virtual media stuff. If i have something physical in my hand, at least I know it can't get taken away from me by the company, a hacker or a computer glitch.
On the other hand, a totally virtual media based world does open up some other interest possibilities should I ever be able to give up control of my 'stuff' to someone else.
If companies don't want us to own anything outright, then they should stop selling us stuff outright and come up with some type of rental model that works for everyone involved. I'm totally against paying $60 for a game and being told i don't own it and what i can and can-not do with it. Where as if you rent it to me for a buck a day or something and I hav eto give it back when I"m done, ok i'm on board with that. I rarely ever play a game longer than 30 days.
So to be clear, the only thing that interests you is the ability to buy/sell your license? I mean 30 days n out isn't a concern for obsolete hardware.
Ya that's something that concerns me with all this virtual media stuff. If i have something physical in my hand, at least I know it can't get taken away from me by the company, a hacker or a computer glitch.
On the other hand, a totally virtual media based world does open up some other interest possibilities should I ever be able to give up control of my 'stuff' to someone else.
If companies don't want us to own anything outright, then they should stop selling us stuff outright and come up with some type of rental model that works for everyone involved. I'm totally against paying $60 for a game and being told i don't own it and what i can and can-not do with it. Where as if you rent it to me for a buck a day or something and I hav eto give it back when I"m done, ok i'm on board with that. I rarely ever play a game longer than 30 days.
So to be clear, the only thing that interests you is the ability to buy/sell your license? I mean 30 days n out isn't a concern for obsolete hardware.
Ya that' sums it up. I"m not concerned with moving digital libraries from one platform to another but I can see how others would find this to be something to worry about. As virtual media replaces physical media this is a question that will eventually become something mainstream society thinks about.
I personally don't want to accumulate a library, i want to be able to freely sell my licenses however I choose in order to fund new game purchases. Buying new games at the lest out of pocket price is my concern and priority, i'm not so much into collecting things, especially video games.
I think this gen will be different, as we are starting to get to diminishing returns with graphics, and also no native BWC for either system. Therefore people will keep playing the old systems a lot longer, until there is a killer app for the new ones.
I wasn't dismissing you or your post, of course, but rather expressing how much this has factored into my buying decision. Sorry if you took it as a jab at you - it wasn't.
Anyways, if I were a curator for a video game museum I'd be very interested in how to preserve games ability to be played for eternity. However, I buy games to play for fun, and that's what I'm going to do. Playing games today isn't a way for me to store up enjoyment in a fun vault to be opened later and used.
Why miss out on fun games today because of possible nostalgia decades from now?
Why are people against playing games and having fun - especially when others (such as 2o2p members) are more likely to be playing them - because of some chance of a far off future where they might not work?
Why are people against playing games and having fun - especially when others (such as 2o2p members) are more likely to be playing them - because of some chance of a far off future where they might not work?
Why are you against people playing retro games and having fun - especially when others have played all the games they desire this generation (aside from upcoming releases) - because you don't care that in the far off future that they might not work?
Why are people against playing games and having fun - especially when others (such as 2o2p members) are more likely to be playing them - because of some chance of a far off future where they might not work?
Why are you against people playing retro games and having fun - especially when others have played all the games they desire this generation (aside from upcoming releases) - because you don't care that in the far off future that they might not work?
I'm not against retro games, but I think having that coming at the cost of playing currently released games and games that will be released in the near future is a bit odd.
I think its odd people would not buy any new games, released now or in the future, if that meant they couldn't play them decades from their release date.
I think its odd that decades old games take priority over playing games with people in a timeframe where people are playing together. That is, around the time a game is released and afterwards, depending on its replay value.
I think its odd that people would rather play games so outdated that there are few willing to play the game anymore or who still can play it, instead of games people are actually playing today.
This mindset is not restricted to one console, timeframe, set of games, console company, or console generation.
I hope this much more verbose explanation has assisted OMGLASER in understanding the meaning behind the words, instead of tripping him up on individual word selection.
Thank you for reading, and have an understanding day.
I think its odd people would not buy any new games, released now or in the future, if that meant they couldn't play them decades from their release date.
Some people enjoy collecting and going back to play their old titles, either because they are bored/tired of current gen games, waiting upon a release of a current gen game, or for nostalgia. It's no more odd than listening to an old Michael Jackson album, Led Zepplin, etc.
Autarch wrote:
I think its odd that decades old games take priority over playing games with people in a timeframe where people are playing together. That is, around the time a game is released and afterwards, depending on its replay value.
They aren't taking priority, however, it is an issue that is being brought to light because many play their old games from time to time. Check out Reddit, Neogaf, and other forums if you don't believe me. We want to be able to enjoy the classic games that will be released on xbone & ps4 down the road, but not at the expense of upcoming systems and titles. We simply want to know m$/sony's plan regarding these issues, as they are playing a part in many consumer's purchasing decisions.
Autarch wrote:
I think its odd that people would rather play games so outdated that there are few willing to play the game anymore or who still can play it, instead of games people are actually playing today.
We don't play them in place of current gen games, we play them in ADDITION to current gen games. See the music example above.
Autarch wrote:
This mindset is not restricted to one console, timeframe, set of games, console company, or console generation.
I hope this much more verbose explanation has assisted OMGLASER in understanding the meaning behind the words, instead of tripping him up on individual word selection.
Thank you for reading, and have an understanding day.
Just being a smartass right back at you. I now know you can dish it but can't take it.
Autarch wrote:
Glad to hear Japan won't let Microsoft and Sony go belly up.
Why are people against playing games and having fun - especially when others (such as 2o2p members) are more likely to be playing them - because of some chance of a far off future where they might not work?
Why are you against people playing retro games and having fun - especially when others have played all the games they desire this generation (aside from upcoming releases) - because you don't care that in the far off future that they might not work?
I'm not against retro games, but I think having that coming at the cost of playing currently released games and games that will be released in the near future is a bit odd.
I think its odd people would not buy any new games, released now or in the future, if that meant they couldn't play them decades from their release date.
I think its odd that decades old games take priority over playing games with people in a timeframe where people are playing together. That is, around the time a game is released and afterwards, depending on its replay value.
I think its odd that people would rather play games so outdated that there are few willing to play the game anymore or who still can play it, instead of games people are actually playing today.
This mindset is not restricted to one console, timeframe, set of games, console company, or console generation.
I hope this much more verbose explanation has assisted OMGLASER in understanding the meaning behind the words, instead of tripping him up on individual word selection.
Thank you for reading, and have an understanding day.
I am actually burnt out on this gen games, so I'm playing nothing but older generations games right now. That is the main reason I picked up the PS3 with backwards compatiblity was so I can have the option to play older PS2 games. Now I am pissed at myself for not keeping all my old PS2 games, so I am tracking some of those down, b/c the PS marketplace does not have some of the more obscure games on there. Not to mention there is an entire community out there to modding roms from the NES/SNES/Sega days to play on different emulators or online. People are still updating Tecmo Bowl with current rosters, and the same goes for RBI Baseball.
If console "A" had BC, and console "B" didn't have it for next gen, I would pick console "A" solely based on the BC.
Some is probably just the mentality of packrat or minimalist. For me with games - once I 100% them, if no one else is playing MP then I ditch them to make room for new games. Only so much time in my day / lifetime. But that's me. I understand the collectors mindset as well
What on earth sugests anyone is against playing games or having fun? They have whatever issues they have with whatever system, this does not mean they are against playing games, they will still play games on whetever system they decide is right for them. I play my games almost excusivly on my PC, I have fun, lots of it. I don't need any consol to do that, and I will maybe pick one up in a year or so, by which time noone will give a flying feck which one I buy.
All I can say is someone feels there's something worth bitching about, and if it's one sided, it's because you perceive it that way. I don't see any sides, other than me looking at the market and assessing what's best for me.
To be blunt there is no other side, just me.
You all do whatever it is you wanna do, it's YOUR wallet, leave mine alone.
All I can say is someone feels there's something worth bitching about, and if it's one sided, it's because you perceive it that way. I don't see any sides, other than me looking at the market and assessing what's best for me.
To be blunt there is no other side, just me.
You all do whatever it is you wanna do, it's YOUR wallet, leave mine alone.
/wave @ ZOmbie of deLeMons!
This.
(Saying Zombie of deLeMons makes it sound like I have small boobs lol)
This is how I read this thread now (in no particular order and don't get bitchy if you think I'm callin you out...if the shoe fits, Princess, it's yours.) :
Person with concern posts their concern.
wall of text.
links I'm not gonna bother to click on.
argumentative shit stirring wall of text.
calm, logical argument made by Laser (yeah I called him out).
shit stirring wall of text.
psychotic break.
trollin to lighten things up, with perhaps a relevant comment thrown in(I like these people).
wall of text replying to something from two days ago.
Dixon.
Person other than Laser calmly explaining OP's concern
person desperate to win a pissing contest posting agreeing with people he argued with yesterday
Retro games aren't impeding anyone from playing current games.
Tell that to those basing a console buying decision on it :P
The console hasn't been released yet, so those aren't current games.
I'll alter the wording so that you can understand what I meant. Hold on while I edit it for your clarity.
Its been editted for you Laser! Let me know if you need additional explanations or examples to understand the meaning I was expressing, or if additional words should be changed to better facilitate grasping of the meaning of that post.
I simply feel that one should not deny themselves an upcoming purchase because of a worry over future nostalgia.
While playing old games is fun, I wouldn't want to choose those over my ability to play upcoming exclusives, for example.
Combo Whore!
Its something an announcer says in Unreal Tournament for killing the way the emoticon depicts, not an insult at anyone before people get upset hehe. Just liked that emoticon :P
I simply feel that one should not deny themselves an upcoming purchase because of a worry over future nostalgia.
While playing old games is fun, I wouldn't want to choose those over my ability to play upcoming exclusives, for example.
Great - I think we all understand your position after a bazillion posts - now how about you step away from the keyboard and let a couple of people have a differing opinion from yours about how they like to game and what they value.
I simply feel that one should not deny themselves an upcoming purchase because of a worry over future nostalgia.
While playing old games is fun, I wouldn't want to choose those over my ability to play upcoming exclusives, for example.
Great - I think we all understand your position after a bazillion posts - now how about you step away from the keyboard and let a couple of people have a differing opinion from yours about how they like to game and what they value.
And we all understand Azure's position after his bazillion posts. They are basically doing the same thing, just from opposite sides. What's the difference???
I simply feel that one should not deny themselves an upcoming purchase because of a worry over future nostalgia.
How does one even get to the point where this is a concious thought? Even more so, one expressed in public?
I mean, I picture a small somewhat middle asian vaguely person teaching his "grasshoppah" on the enlightened ideals of future tech and the history of the army of old (Ghengis Khansole) trampling all new tech in the name of enforcing Nostalgia on the massesback in pre-Cloud B.C.
Oh, and much hand wringing...
Obviously, I don't get it....
Oh, and madame Zombie DeLeMons, I'm gonna ignore that chesticular comment, I don't swing at the easy one's anymore...
And we all understand Azure's position after his bazillion posts. They are basically doing the same thing, just from opposite sides. What's the difference???
The difference for me is;
Azure takes exception with MS and doesn't like some of the moves the changes is proposing and is presenting information for other potential people who might feel the same way.
Autarch takes exception with other community members for "not wanting to play games and have fun" and doesn't understand how people could feel differently then he/she feels about it.
If you have a problem with how Azure is presenting the issues then talk to Azure about it.
And we all understand Azure's position after his bazillion posts. They are basically doing the same thing, just from opposite sides. What's the difference???
Azure starts threads and defends his position.
Autarch descends on a thread and starts to pick apart everything people say without ever meeting someone halfway unless it is someone who seems to be on his side.
99% of my gaming purchases are during either Steam sales, amazon sales, or origin sales. I picked up battlefield 3 for $10 within 3 months of launch. If fact, I rarely spend over $10 on a game. Even older console games sell for considerably more.
Same here, paying full-price on Steam is, unless you absolutely have to play on zeroday, a bit wasteful. Usually, within 12 weeks, Steam rebounds with a sale on quite new titles.
I'm going to play games and have fun today rather than worry about a chance of something happening decades from now that will prevent me from playing the games I have today at that point in time.
I think its a bit silly to refuse to play fun games because of some chance of them not working many years in the future. I don't play games today so that I can have fun decades from now, I play games today so that I'm having fun while playing them.
If I knew my copy of Battlezone for PC wouldn't be able to be played on me PC today, would I have not purchased it all those years ago? Shit no, that was fun and I had a blast playing it for hours - even with friends. Why the hell would I have given up those fun times because of my inability to play it today? That's ridiculous to me :)
Ya that's something that concerns me with all this virtual media stuff. If i have something physical in my hand, at least I know it can't get taken away from me by the company, a hacker or a computer glitch.
On the other hand, a totally virtual media based world does open up some other interest possibilities should I ever be able to give up control of my 'stuff' to someone else.
If companies don't want us to own anything outright, then they should stop selling us stuff outright and come up with some type of rental model that works for everyone involved. I'm totally against paying $60 for a game and being told i don't own it and what i can and can-not do with it. Where as if you rent it to me for a buck a day or something and I hav eto give it back when I"m done, ok i'm on board with that. I rarely ever play a game longer than 30 days.
True, but try installing an OS9 Power PC game disc on an OSX Intel machine, etc. Eventually everything becomes obsolete.
True, True.... I think the whole issue of what to do withyour digital catalog when the next platform comes out is something different. When it comes to video games, I don't really care personally because i'm not interested in playing last gen games when the next gen comes out. For others obviously, this is a hot topic.
So to be clear, the only thing that interests you is the ability to buy/sell your license? I mean 30 days n out isn't a concern for obsolete hardware.
Ya that' sums it up. I"m not concerned with moving digital libraries from one platform to another but I can see how others would find this to be something to worry about. As virtual media replaces physical media this is a question that will eventually become something mainstream society thinks about.
I personally don't want to accumulate a library, i want to be able to freely sell my licenses however I choose in order to fund new game purchases. Buying new games at the lest out of pocket price is my concern and priority, i'm not so much into collecting things, especially video games.
I think this gen will be different, as we are starting to get to diminishing returns with graphics, and also no native BWC for either system. Therefore people will keep playing the old systems a lot longer, until there is a killer app for the new ones.
I wasn't dismissing you or your post, of course, but rather expressing how much this has factored into my buying decision. Sorry if you took it as a jab at you - it wasn't.
Anyways, if I were a curator for a video game museum I'd be very interested in how to preserve games ability to be played for eternity. However, I buy games to play for fun, and that's what I'm going to do. Playing games today isn't a way for me to store up enjoyment in a fun vault to be opened later and used.
Why miss out on fun games today because of possible nostalgia decades from now?
Why are people against playing games and having fun - especially when others (such as 2o2p members) are more likely to be playing them - because of some chance of a far off future where they might not work?
Why are you against people playing retro games and having fun - especially when others have played all the games they desire this generation (aside from upcoming releases) - because you don't care that in the far off future that they might not work?
I'm not against retro games, but I think having that coming at the cost of playing currently released games and games that will be released in the near future is a bit odd.
I think its odd people would not buy any new games, released now or in the future, if that meant they couldn't play them decades from their release date.
I think its odd that decades old games take priority over playing games with people in a timeframe where people are playing together. That is, around the time a game is released and afterwards, depending on its replay value.
I think its odd that people would rather play games so outdated that there are few willing to play the game anymore or who still can play it, instead of games people are actually playing today.
This mindset is not restricted to one console, timeframe, set of games, console company, or console generation.
I hope this much more verbose explanation has assisted OMGLASER in understanding the meaning behind the words, instead of tripping him up on individual word selection.
Thank you for reading, and have an understanding day.
Some people enjoy collecting and going back to play their old titles, either because they are bored/tired of current gen games, waiting upon a release of a current gen game, or for nostalgia. It's no more odd than listening to an old Michael Jackson album, Led Zepplin, etc.
They aren't taking priority, however, it is an issue that is being brought to light because many play their old games from time to time. Check out Reddit, Neogaf, and other forums if you don't believe me. We want to be able to enjoy the classic games that will be released on xbone & ps4 down the road, but not at the expense of upcoming systems and titles. We simply want to know m$/sony's plan regarding these issues, as they are playing a part in many consumer's purchasing decisions.
We don't play them in place of current gen games, we play them in ADDITION to current gen games. See the music example above.
Just being a smartass right back at you. I now know you can dish it but can't take it.
I am actually burnt out on this gen games, so I'm playing nothing but older generations games right now. That is the main reason I picked up the PS3 with backwards compatiblity was so I can have the option to play older PS2 games. Now I am pissed at myself for not keeping all my old PS2 games, so I am tracking some of those down, b/c the PS marketplace does not have some of the more obscure games on there. Not to mention there is an entire community out there to modding roms from the NES/SNES/Sega days to play on different emulators or online. People are still updating Tecmo Bowl with current rosters, and the same goes for RBI Baseball.
If console "A" had BC, and console "B" didn't have it for next gen, I would pick console "A" solely based on the BC.
Some is probably just the mentality of packrat or minimalist. For me with games - once I 100% them, if no one else is playing MP then I ditch them to make room for new games. Only so much time in my day / lifetime. But that's me. I understand the collectors mindset as well
What on earth sugests anyone is against playing games or having fun? They have whatever issues they have with whatever system, this does not mean they are against playing games, they will still play games on whetever system they decide is right for them. I play my games almost excusivly on my PC, I have fun, lots of it. I don't need any consol to do that, and I will maybe pick one up in a year or so, by which time noone will give a flying feck which one I buy.
I don't care now Knight !!!
People do like to bitch. It just seems really one sided this time, and it's annoying.
All I can say is someone feels there's something worth bitching about, and if it's one sided, it's because you perceive it that way. I don't see any sides, other than me looking at the market and assessing what's best for me.
To be blunt there is no other side, just me.
You all do whatever it is you wanna do, it's YOUR wallet, leave mine alone.
/wave @ ZOmbie of deLeMons!
(Saying Zombie of deLeMons makes it sound like I have small boobs lol)
This is how I read this thread now (in no particular order and don't get bitchy if you think I'm callin you out...if the shoe fits, Princess, it's yours.) :
Person with concern posts their concern.
wall of text.
links I'm not gonna bother to click on.
argumentative shit stirring wall of text.
calm, logical argument made by Laser (yeah I called him out).
shit stirring wall of text.
psychotic break.
trollin to lighten things up, with perhaps a relevant comment thrown in(I like these people).
wall of text replying to something from two days ago.
Dixon.
Person other than Laser calmly explaining OP's concern
person desperate to win a pissing contest posting agreeing with people he argued with yesterday
*eye roll*
Tell that to those basing a console buying decision on it :P
The console hasn't been released yet, so those aren't current games.
I'll alter the wording so that you can understand what I meant. Hold on while I edit it for your clarity.
Its been editted for you Laser! Let me know if you need additional explanations or examples to understand the meaning I was expressing, or if additional words should be changed to better facilitate grasping of the meaning of that post.
I simply feel that one should not deny themselves an upcoming purchase because of a worry over future nostalgia.
While playing old games is fun, I wouldn't want to choose those over my ability to play upcoming exclusives, for example.
Combo Whore!
Its something an announcer says in Unreal Tournament for killing the way the emoticon depicts, not an insult at anyone before people get upset hehe. Just liked that emoticon :P
And we all understand Azure's position after his bazillion posts. They are basically doing the same thing, just from opposite sides. What's the difference???
How does one even get to the point where this is a concious thought? Even more so, one expressed in public?
I mean, I picture a small somewhat middle asian vaguely person teaching his "grasshoppah" on the enlightened ideals of future tech and the history of the army of old (Ghengis Khansole) trampling all new tech in the name of enforcing Nostalgia on the massesback in pre-Cloud B.C.
Oh, and much hand wringing...
Obviously, I don't get it....
Oh, and madame Zombie DeLeMons, I'm gonna ignore that chesticular comment, I don't swing at the easy one's anymore...
The difference for me is;
Azure takes exception with MS and doesn't like some of the moves the changes is proposing and is presenting information for other potential people who might feel the same way.
Autarch takes exception with other community members for "not wanting to play games and have fun" and doesn't understand how people could feel differently then he/she feels about it.
If you have a problem with how Azure is presenting the issues then talk to Azure about it.
Azure starts threads and defends his position.
Autarch descends on a thread and starts to pick apart everything people say without ever meeting someone halfway unless it is someone who seems to be on his side.
BTW, I attacked Autarch before it was cool. ^^