Theology from the armchair.

Puzzled

Shared on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 22:18
Be warned... the following is a theological digression from a current study I'm doing. 

Read at your own risk. 

So I’m doing this study right now on Revelation. For some reason I’ve always been a bit intimidated by that book. I don’t know if it’s the imagery or the whole chronological debate or perhaps it’s the varying interpretations of Revelation and how they impact one’s eschatology. Anyway… I figured it was time to take the plunge and begin to make sense out of this book and stop avoiding a good study of it. It’s been quite refreshing thus far… but I’m still finding myself getting wrapped up in the varying opposing prophetic camps, which tends to slow me down in my study. But I don’t have a timeline or a deadline, so why should I rush? 

 

So just the other day I realized that studying Revelation from certain versions of the Bible, like the NIV or the KJV, could potentially cause some different understandings. For instance, there are 4 places where the NIV and the KJV conflict in the information that John records. Essentially, 3 of the 4 contrasts don’t really affect or influence one’s eschatology in the slightest, however in Revelation 5 the contrast can be significant. In Revelation 5:9-10 there is a song that is being sung by the 24 Elders. Well… in the NIV, the song is sung by the Elders but it’s about others. "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

So in the NIV, the Elders are rejoicing over what has been accomplished for “men” and the pronouns are “them” and “they.”

But, when reading these same verses in the KJV, it reads quite different. “ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”

Notice, that the pronouns are now “us” and “we,” meaning that these Elders are rejoicing over what God has done for them personally. 

This is only problematic when you are trying to determine the significance and the identification of the 24 Elders. Are they merely Angels? Are they representatives of the Church?  Are they the 12 OT patriarchs + 12 NT Apostles? I’m inclined to believe they are representatives of the Church for several reasons but I can see where some of the Mid-trib and Post-trib camps can see this as indicating that the Church is still on the earth during the tribulation. 

Anyway… enough of me theologizing. I just found it interesting that by studying in different Bible versions, you may be influenced, however slightly, to read different things than someone studying a different version. 


Still Puzzled,

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Submitted by wareaglebeene1 on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 22:51
Here is the main point of focus you have to make in Revelations? What is the purpose of this book in relation to the disciples(for the theologically challenged, Christians not Apostles) that were living at the time John rights this letter? This letter had to resonate with the readers of that time. The main problem is that with the exception of the last chapter, Revelations is not a prophetic preaching. It had to apply to the current state of the church. The disciples were being killed and tortured at this time. John wrote this to encourage them that God was still in control and that they have to finish the race. All thing in this book have already come to fruition before the fall of Rome. For further reading try a book by Gordon Ferguson called Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory http://www.boundonearth.com/books_biblestudy2.htm Also look at www.douglasjacoby.com and some of his dissertations on the subject.
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Submitted by Puzzled on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 23:04
Interesting wareglebeene, I've studied preterism briefly a couple years ago, and I've read some articles on it just recently w/this current study. I'll check out the douglas jacoby fellow and read some of his stuff. Thanks for the links. From my past experience w/preterism, I think that's what you're espousing, my biggest gripe seems to be w/the literal interpretation of some of the judgements. Were they global or simply regional judgements? etc. Stuff like that. But I'll give DJ some time and read some of his stuff. Would he be who you'd recommend I read? Thanks. Have you ever read any stuff from Chuck Missler, John Courson, David Jeremiah concerning prophecy? If not, they'd be a good point to start if you haven't seen the other side of the eschatological spectrum or their arguments.
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Submitted by wareaglebeene1 on Thu, 09/21/2006 - 08:58
The problems with the prophetic side is that there is a lot of speculation without much continuity. When you look at things as more related to the time (and the region) the book fits and has continuity. Don't get me wrong, the book still is applicable today but it is not a book of Armegeddon. Again, remember that God did not give us the bible for reading purposes but for living purposes. Revelation has to be practical as the scriptures teach us that the "Word of God is living and active" and is "useful in teaching, correcting, rebuking, and training in righteousness" (I'll let you find those scriptures). Do not get caught up in the literal but what is God saying that applies to me?

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