Every game must be installed and can be played while installing. After install, the disc is not needed.
That is exactly why there must be a fee for a second account using the disc. You see, otherwise one person buys one copy of a game, and thousands of people borrow it, install it, and pass it on. Then thousands can play the game for free because of one single purchase.
That's why they require a fee.
They require a fee because they want to. Even with HD installs they could freely allow used games (using the disk as a hardware lock for instance). They just don't want to.
without even looking, I'm going to guess there are many in here that are "out" for the Xbox One.....
I'm in like Slim, but when? That is the question. Day 1, 60 or 365? What are the implications for my Halo hobby and Cable box connectivity? In the XB1 demo they were changing channels faster than I think my Motorola can do.
without even looking, I'm going to guess there are many in here that are "out" for the Xbox One.....
I'm in like Slim, but when? That is the question. Day 1, 60 or 365? What are the implications for my Halo hobby and Cable box connectivity? In the XB1 demo they were changing channels faster than I think my Motorola can do.
Xbox One comes with system level ability to record gameplay, and has editting tools. Theatre for every game on it.
It has an HDMI Input, which is where the cable or satellite box plugs into the system.
Switching things quickly even with voice is for everything it seems, even games (hence the installs, and no discs to play as that would slow it down)
without even looking, I'm going to guess there are many in here that are "out" for the Xbox One.....
I'm in like Slim, but when? That is the question. Day 1, 60 or 365? What are the implications for my Halo hobby and Cable box connectivity? In the XB1 demo they were changing channels faster than I think my Motorola can do.
It has an HDMI Input, which is where the cable or satellite box plugs into the system.
Switching things quickly even with voice is for everything it seems, even games (hence the installs, and no discs to play as that would slow it down)
Yep, got that but I still don't know how compatible my Cable box is with the HDMI standards. Also my Cable box takes about 2 seconds to change channels plus it's normally 1080i. How well will all of this work together? I.E. functionality and picture quality/framerate? Perfectly or imperfectly? Will I need a new Cable Box or TV provider? More than a few worries yet to be dealt with.
The install is not to get fees, it is so that games can be switched to quickly without getting up and swapping a disc. That was a large portion of the show - quickly switching between things including games that have suspended and can resume right where they left off.
The fee is there to protect sales because otherwise the quick switching and installs would hurt sales.
Also, I did enjoy how distributed computing can increase the power available to games. Years into the console's life it will vastly be more powerful than PS4 or the launch Xbox One.
Also, was anything at all officially said about multiple accounts on an Xbox One needing fees? I sure didn't read that. I'm perfectly willing to bet that it ties to the console and the player account on install - much like Xbox 360 purchases do today.
I can understand getting worked up over officially confirmed things, but at this point I've even seen people angry because they think the thing can't play blu-ray movies...
I agree the installs are for that reason. But they also do perform a secondary thing for MS, which is to tie them to accounts so they can, as by-product, charge more for borrowed or rented games.
I agree the installs are for that reason. But they also do perform a secondary thing for MS, which is to tie them to accounts so they can, as by-product, charge more for borrowed or rented games.
If someone lends you an Xbox 360 game today, he can't go home and keep playing it without the disc.
If someone gives you an Xbox One disc, he can go home and play that game forever no problem.
If someone comes over, they do not need to bring discs. They sign in to your Xbox One and their profile, saved games, and home screen are stored in the cloud. They keep playing where they left off, and you can too.
if the input of the cable box into the One just makes it a glorified splitter, then that's fine by me. I can plug my tivo into the One and then switch the same as I'd switch inputs on my receiver.
Living Games technology allows game worlds to keep going even when you’re not playing. So you never know what new things you’ll find the next time you play. And advanced artificial intelligence can learn to play like you. So when you’re not around, your friends can still play against your shadow.
Pick up right where you left off.
Want to check sports scores in the middle of a game? No problem. With auto-resume, your game is suspended right where you left off. So you can jump back instantly to the same spot. You can even start a movie or a game on one Xbox One and finish it on another.
I need to read up on Sony's specs again because I don't remember much other than "focus on games" and live streaming your games.
That's what matter most to me, games. Hopefully @ E3 M$ will wow us with more games and less fantasy basketball.
I thought this was kinda cool :
Unlock a new generation of achievements.
Xbox One’s all new achievements system has richer detail and spans across your games and experiences, which means achievements are no longer confined to a single game. And you can earn achievements in more ways since new ones can be added dynamically at any time. Our new achievements portal not only keeps track of what you earned, but how you earned it, so it’s more personal than ever. It even lets you compare your achievements with your friends. Share your legacy and achieve greatness with Xbox One.
Im not too much of an achievement whore but I do like going after them.
The ability to record gameplay and the included editting tools is great. There have been so many games without a theater mode that left me disappointed I could never show someone what just happened. It doesn't even require a controller button or pausing the game which is nice for multiplayer especially.
The ability to record gameplay and the included editting tools is great. There have been so many games without a theater mode that left me disappointed I could never show someone what just happened. It doesn't even require a controller button or pausing the game which is nice for multiplayer especially.
I must have missed that, where are they confirming recording game play for the 360?
The ability to record gameplay and the included editting tools is great. There have been so many games without a theater mode that left me disappointed I could never show someone what just happened. It doesn't even require a controller button or pausing the game which is nice for multiplayer especially.
I must have missed that, where are they confirming recording game play for the 360?
Well, I didn't say the 360 in there, but assuming it is a typo here is a link to a page about it on the official Xbox website, just scroll down a bit: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/how-it-games
I guess i'd really like to know how much the fee is. If it's full retail price then that really blows for families that all share one system or have multiple systems. But if it's only 10 bucks or something then I guess that's not so bad. Because this goes along with rentals and used games, if you need to pay an activation fee or something , that really needs to be taken into account for the total amount of $ you pay, maybe the used game isn't really a cheaper option. Even if the fee is onl 10 bucks, gamestop charges like 54.99 for a new release used game making the total 64.99, so you're better off buying a new copy.
XboxOne design to let gamers trade and resell their games, also always on NOT a requirement but an internet connection is. So if you don't have internet, i guess you're a Sony customer.
ONE has a non-replacable 500gb hard drive with external storage support that can be used for everything the internal drive can be used for including game installs.
Also i've been reading that microsoft has not confirmed a 'fee' to install the game to another profile. Right now they're just saying reports about the fee are 'inaccurate'. My guess is the DRM will work like it does now, the game will work for any profile on the xbox it's installed on, or it'll work on a different xbox as long as the profile that installed it first is logged into that other system.
LB : ya the system has built in recording and editing abilities, what they didnt' talk about really was how that stuff gets hosted/shared. Also the USB3 will support external HDDs that can do everything the internal one can do. So if you run outta space, just go buy an external and connect it up.
I'm not sure keeping games installed is required if you have internet or keep the discs with no internet. After all, once its linked to your account, and considering you can play while installing, just delete gamaes you rarely use and redownload later playing almost immediately if you feel like booting them up again.
I think the internet connection requirement would be for linking the Xbox to an account, such as first time sign in, or perhaps even to check to see if a disc has been used. I don't think if your net cuts out it will prevent you from playing any game you own.
Edit: Unless that game requires internet, such as Destiny, or an MMO that has no single player mode.
There must be some mechanism in there to stop people from buying the game, installing it and then taking it back to the store a day later to return it or trade it in. That's why the 360 required the disc be in the drive. Kind interested to see what they're doing with that on ONE.
Apparently there is now word of a game trading system for Xbox One. It sounded like trading digital titles with friends. Instead of getting ripped off by gamestop, you could exchange your game for someone elses game.
Of course details were forthcoming, but it could be interesting.
The show would have fit better at CES. They only had an hour, but the Xbox is definitely being positioned to be in more than just core gamer living rooms. However, they are also grabbing tons of exclusive games and deals for the core gamers as well.
I figured it would be positioned this way back in 2012 to be honest.
They require a fee because they want to. Even with HD installs they could freely allow used games (using the disk as a hardware lock for instance). They just don't want to.
But what if you have the disk in the machine!!
I know it installs the disk to the Xbox but what if you lend the disk and can only play while the disk is in the box.
Take it out and it wont work. Unless you pay the fee
without even looking, I'm going to guess there are many in here that are "out" for the Xbox One.....
Xbox One comes with system level ability to record gameplay, and has editting tools. Theatre for every game on it.
It has an HDMI Input, which is where the cable or satellite box plugs into the system.
Switching things quickly even with voice is for everything it seems, even games (hence the installs, and no discs to play as that would slow it down)
Dedicated servers for every game. That's what is in the linked Wired article.
The install is not to get fees, it is so that games can be switched to quickly without getting up and swapping a disc. That was a large portion of the show - quickly switching between things including games that have suspended and can resume right where they left off.
The fee is there to protect sales because otherwise the quick switching and installs would hurt sales.
Also, I did enjoy how distributed computing can increase the power available to games. Years into the console's life it will vastly be more powerful than PS4 or the launch Xbox One.
Also, was anything at all officially said about multiple accounts on an Xbox One needing fees? I sure didn't read that. I'm perfectly willing to bet that it ties to the console and the player account on install - much like Xbox 360 purchases do today.
I can understand getting worked up over officially confirmed things, but at this point I've even seen people angry because they think the thing can't play blu-ray movies...
I agree the installs are for that reason. But they also do perform a secondary thing for MS, which is to tie them to accounts so they can, as by-product, charge more for borrowed or rented games.
If someone lends you an Xbox 360 game today, he can't go home and keep playing it without the disc.
If someone gives you an Xbox One disc, he can go home and play that game forever no problem.
If someone comes over, they do not need to bring discs. They sign in to your Xbox One and their profile, saved games, and home screen are stored in the cloud. They keep playing where they left off, and you can too.
I like the advantages.
if the input of the cable box into the One just makes it a glorified splitter, then that's fine by me. I can plug my tivo into the One and then switch the same as I'd switch inputs on my receiver.
Your games keep playing,
even when you’re not.
Living Games technology allows game worlds to keep going even when you’re not playing. So you never know what new things you’ll find the next time you play. And advanced artificial intelligence can learn to play like you. So when you’re not around, your friends can still play against your shadow.
Pick up right where you left off.
Want to check sports scores in the middle of a game? No problem. With auto-resume, your game is suspended right where you left off. So you can jump back instantly to the same spot. You can even start
a movie or a game on one Xbox One and finish it
on another.
I need to read up on Sony's specs again because I don't remember much other than "focus on games" and live streaming your games.
That's what matter most to me, games. Hopefully @ E3 M$ will wow us with more games and less fantasy basketball.
I thought this was kinda cool :
Unlock a new generation
of achievements.
Xbox One’s all new achievements system has richer
detail and spans across your games and experiences,
which means achievements are no longer confined
to a single game. And you can earn achievements in
more ways since new ones can be added dynamically
at any time. Our new achievements portal not only
keeps track of what you earned, but how you earned
it, so it’s more personal than ever. It even lets you
compare your achievements with your friends. Share
your legacy and achieve greatness with Xbox One.
Im not too much of an achievement whore but I do like going after them.
Hardware specs?
http://www.2old2play.com/forum/group-forums/2old2playstation/ps4-spec-rundown-503328
Nah I don't care about hardware specs. They're pretty equal to One, at least way more than the 360/PS3 were. More "what it does" experience wise.
The ability to record gameplay and the included editting tools is great. There have been so many games without a theater mode that left me disappointed I could never show someone what just happened. It doesn't even require a controller button or pausing the game which is nice for multiplayer especially.
I must have missed that, where are they confirming recording game play for the 360?
Well, I didn't say the 360 in there, but assuming it is a typo here is a link to a page about it on the official Xbox website, just scroll down a bit: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/how-it-games
No supprises here. The release is exactly what I expected.
I guess i'd really like to know how much the fee is. If it's full retail price then that really blows for families that all share one system or have multiple systems. But if it's only 10 bucks or something then I guess that's not so bad. Because this goes along with rentals and used games, if you need to pay an activation fee or something , that really needs to be taken into account for the total amount of $ you pay, maybe the used game isn't really a cheaper option. Even if the fee is onl 10 bucks, gamestop charges like 54.99 for a new release used game making the total 64.99, so you're better off buying a new copy.
Xbox ONE will NOT work without Kinect being connected according to IGN
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-withou...
Video showing all the ports (3rd video on the page)
http://kotaku.com/take-an-up-close-look-at-the-xbox-one-console-and-cont...
Friends List expanded to 1000 people
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-supports-1000-friends/
XboxOne design to let gamers trade and resell their games, also always on NOT a requirement but an internet connection is. So if you don't have internet, i guess you're a Sony customer.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/microsoft-xbox-one-isnt-always-online-...
ONE has a non-replacable 500gb hard drive with external storage support that can be used for everything the internal drive can be used for including game installs.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/
Also i've been reading that microsoft has not confirmed a 'fee' to install the game to another profile. Right now they're just saying reports about the fee are 'inaccurate'. My guess is the DRM will work like it does now, the game will work for any profile on the xbox it's installed on, or it'll work on a different xbox as long as the profile that installed it first is logged into that other system.
LB : ya the system has built in recording and editing abilities, what they didnt' talk about really was how that stuff gets hosted/shared. Also the USB3 will support external HDDs that can do everything the internal one can do. So if you run outta space, just go buy an external and connect it up.
I'm not sure keeping games installed is required if you have internet or keep the discs with no internet. After all, once its linked to your account, and considering you can play while installing, just delete gamaes you rarely use and redownload later playing almost immediately if you feel like booting them up again.
I think the internet connection requirement would be for linking the Xbox to an account, such as first time sign in, or perhaps even to check to see if a disc has been used. I don't think if your net cuts out it will prevent you from playing any game you own.
Edit: Unless that game requires internet, such as Destiny, or an MMO that has no single player mode.
There must be some mechanism in there to stop people from buying the game, installing it and then taking it back to the store a day later to return it or trade it in. That's why the 360 required the disc be in the drive. Kind interested to see what they're doing with that on ONE.
Apparently there is now word of a game trading system for Xbox One. It sounded like trading digital titles with friends. Instead of getting ripped off by gamestop, you could exchange your game for someone elses game.
Of course details were forthcoming, but it could be interesting.
The show would have fit better at CES. They only had an hour, but the Xbox is definitely being positioned to be in more than just core gamer living rooms. However, they are also grabbing tons of exclusive games and deals for the core gamers as well.
I figured it would be positioned this way back in 2012 to be honest.
Outdated or incorrect.
Major Nelson: http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/
Phil Harrison: http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros...
Edit - Also, "Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family."
Well, I figured.
Ok...Good. Is just me or the does the "new" design remind you of your old VHS player?