DEEP_NNN
Shared on Tue, 08/07/2012 - 08:43I'm trying an experiment for Halo. It doesn't involve Clans. It does involve any 2old2play.com member who wants to play Halo in a specified way and in a specified time slot.
If you check out the Halo Series forum there is a post where I describe what I am trying to do.
If you are interested, just get on somebodies FL that is playing with this group. Alternatively you can send a XBL message to me or another involved person with the the text Inv in it.
I understand some people are going to wonder, "why Clanless"? Well, I have come to the opinion Clans create too much segregation on 2old2play. I no longer see the posting privacy inside a Clan forum as being an asset. Facebook, Twitter and other services should be enough for these personal affairs. I'd like to see Clans at the very least, open up their boundaries completely to other 2old2play members. It'd be better for 2old2play if Clan members posted their gaming stories in game specific forums, joined discussions in Off Topic and other topic specific forums. Perhaps that will help jump start this whole site for the better.
Clans have both good and bad sides to them and I've seen both over the years. I certainly appreciate the good parts.
2old2pwn has been a great association for me. Seven years of Clan nights! Seven years of of saucy bad ass behavior that I just love participating in! But my experiment conflicts with Clan membership and so I have unregistered myself.
If my experiment fails then I'll look to a Clan/Group option again but it will be a completely open one.
I kind of wish XBox Live had better options for handling groups. What a pain in the butt.
Comments
Submitted by XF1R3X on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:57
Awww you know me? You talk about me in your private forums? I'm flattered for sure and happy my history on this site is something that is discussed. :) But clearly I keep hitting a nerve with you so lets clarify a few points because you can see the forest for the trees but can't stop running into the first tree.
I have already said I don't want to see private forums go away. I understand their necessity and get why clans want them. Part of having a discussion is point counterpoint. Being right is more important to you than understanding the issue. Which is why this will be my last post to you. If you ever actually get a clue maybe you will see the point beyond thinking I wanna burn the forums down. I don't have a know better attitude, I don't think I am anymore right than anyone else, I am simply asking for all members of 2o2p to fix a larger community issue which is:
IF THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACTIVITY THERE IS NO REASON FOR 2OLD2PLAY TO EXIST. We can just become a site of private forums and 90% of the site can be done away with....
All I am saying/ asking is for clans to pop out of their private forums and become like 10% more involved in the public conversation or maybe even start some conversation.
So to clarify for you again:
1. I don't think private forums should go away
2. I'm not saying people HAVE to participate
3. I'm not saying things should be burned down
4. I don't think my point is anymore valid than anothers
5. I'm not trying to be right
6. I am saying we as a 2old2play community should and need to become publicly more active to help the site grow.
Understand now or do you need pictures?
Seeing as I know you will respond because you HAVE to have the last word I am sure, understand I don't care what it is, you can;t understand the counterpoint to your argument so anything you say is simply trying to be MOAR RIGHT RAWRRRR. You don't want to help facilitate growth on 2o2p, cool then don't, but stay out of the conversation next time because you clearly do not understand the need for growth and how people are trying to attract and retain new members. Have an awesome night and if you feel the need to continue the conversation you can PM me anytime :)
Submitted by splat on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 21:02
Problem statement: IF THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACTIVITY THERE IS NO REASON FOR 2OLD2PLAY TO EXIST. We can just become a site of private forums and 90% of the site can be done away with....
I disagree... mostly.
Me: 2old2pwn member for a little over a year, member of the site a few months longer than that.
My viewpoint is that I REALLY began enjoying the benefits of this site once I joined my clan and the privacy/family atmosphere it offers. When I first joined the site, I found it to be very intimidating to post in the gaming specific forums. They each had their "regulars" that seemed to hold the conversation (for good and bad -- case by case basis). I wasn't rejected by anyone but I certainly wasn't embraced by a large swath of the community either (except by a few very nice welcomers!). Specifics: I'm on the Halo and Reach FoF tags and have only ever had 1 member hit me up with any game invites (yes, only 1 person in over a year).
I feel like I've had to get bold or persistent in open gaming forum postings to be treated as a serious participant. That isn't always the way I want to roll. So, if all I had available was the public forum in it's V2 and present context, I wouldn't have been around here very long. Maybe we've lost others for the same reason -- unofficial cliques in the open forums.
I DO participate in site wide events and am happy to see them announced, but I have also happily found a private (but open to newcomers) clique that rolls in my comfort zone. I like it that way, and it's what has kept me loyal to the site as a whole!
Summary: the public activity isn't what is needed to drive the site's existence; site member's derived pleasure from the site's opportunities drives it's existence.
I propose revising the problem statement: If the lack of input on the public forums is deemed the big issue for the site, then why isn't anyone jumping in to address what the FULL set of reasons MAY be, instead of just pointing at private clans? I've already pointed out that at least some of the open forums appear to contain their own cliques, so that means at least 2 possible causes. I'm sure there are MANY other possibilities. Let's discuss those, too.
Submitted by wamam87 on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 22:07
excellent post splat. there is a lot more than the just the clans being discussed, that just seems to be the focus here. can't wait to see you at the next mixer. i'm trying to get one together for August.
Submitted by Lala Calamari on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 22:43
Sure there are other issues to the site. And yes, I hope they get addressed. But let's face it, Clans not getting involved in the Main forums is a HUGE problem. I've been saying this for a long time now and I encourage the guys in 2old2shoot to branch out. Because if there is no one out in the main forums, who am I going to recruit?
The last thing I want is for my clan to go away, but I do understand the issue the site is having. Let's face it, the main forums are dead. And I think it's part of the clan leaders responsibility to help fix that issue. For fucks sake, all Doodi wants are posts and activity in the main forums. It's really not that hard. We as Clan leaders should not have let that happen. We shouldn't be the ones asking for reasons to entice us to post. We should be the ones creating those reasons for others.
I think everyone dropped the ball, not just the clans. And now we have a giant mess that needs to be cleaned up. At the end of the day, this is a site about adults playing video games with each other. Let's try not to forget that.
Submitted by wamam87 on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 23:00
cool. we can all finally blame lala for all of this. j/k
i lay the blame on every member here. i think we can all do more to make our house a better place to be. you can only get out what you put in. if only take, eventually there is nothing left to get.
Submitted by DEEP_NNN on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:03
The Over 50 is a site wide exclusive group. We've never had behavior problems. Age is the only filter. We even let in people who aren't over 50 to play with us should they get in the party unexpectedly or we are short handed. We even let in people who do not belong to 2old2play.
Yes it is somewhat exclusive by age but we do not sit in or on any of 2old2play's resources. We have no clan, we have no forum and most of us do not socialize in other way than gaming.
Almost as many have joined Clans from our group as have joined from Clans. We have no restrictions other than I try to get them on a special GT so when our memory fails we can figure out who is over 50.
I didn't realize it when I first created it, but it is exactly the the same thing I am now offering. I say what is happening and when it is happening and people show up. And then I Tbag them.
Submitted by Walladog on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:16
I know DEEP. I was just administering sarcasm. If Thursday night is your Halo night I will take it as just that and nothing more.
After all...if you hadn't left a clan and started a new Halo night...there wouldn't BE a 2old2pwn! :)
You can be like "Clanny Appleseed!"
Submitted by DEEP_NNN on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:39
It's an unfortunate side effect of the service I intend to provide for 2old2play. I've said, that is when I game. That is when my wife knows I game and she doesn't complain, much. I am not selflessly giving this service. My needs are being met too.
Any member of 2old2play can choose to play with me or not. No arms are twisted. If no Pwners choose to join me at that time, the Clan is unaffected.
I agree the time slot is a conflict but not a deliberately manufactured one. It also conflicts with 2old2playHALO's Clan night. Theoretically, I've picked a terrible night for success but maybe there are Clanless members of 2old2play who do want to play. Maybe new members will try out the service before seeking out a Clan. Maybe they won't and just keep coming out on Thursday. Maybe other members will step up and offer their own service for different times or styles of gameplay for Halo or other games.
I hope this doesn't just start and end with me.
Submitted by Blue_Stiehl on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:30
I ask about using a different night because of the following statement.
The clan knew nothing about this idea before he left and don't want people thinking we asked him to leave because of it.
It is unfortunate that Thursday is the best time for Deep to implement his idea, but I understand his reasoning and wish him the best of luck.
Submitted by KnightofRedemption on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 17:23
Yes and the reasons are somewere in this thread so I will not reiterate. What Deep is doing does not conflict with Clans/groups it has become part of a wider discussion started by me, and by the looks of it one that needed getting out in the open.
Submitted by InstantBuzzkill on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:33
Submitted by Walladog on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:48
Submitted by jcotter13 on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:35
Cotter's gonna get his two cents in now. This whole clan/group (call it whatever you like) situation is a double edged sword. I've been here for a little over 5 years now, so I think I can safely speak from experience.
2O4f does have 885 members, but I'd say roughly a little over 100 are actually active. WE have our ups & downs as far as activity goes. But I think certain things are out of our control here. speaking for 2o4f in general, since forza is the primary focus of most of our members, they don't venture outside our forum much. they don't care about the halo forum, otr the bacon thread or whatever. That s nothing personal to those who do. But you have to give those people a reason to want to venture outside the group forum. I wouldn't say that we're being snobby or exclusive because of that wither because I snatch up every single person that I see here who plays forza. So in essence our forum is open to anyone who's interested in forza, I only keep iut private so Joe Schmo doesn't come barging into our forum & start posting about something totally irrelevant or whatever. I personally would love to have the ability to make 2o4f open for public viewing, but only open to posts from members of the group. But making groups/clans public isn't going to solve the issue.
Getting new members invoilved here on the site is the same as getting new group members inviolved in the group. Some people take to it like a duck out of water & thrive on their own 7 become valuable & active members, others want their hands held. With 2o4f, I do as much hand holding as possible, but ultimately, it's up to the individual when it comes to how much they want to get out of this site.
I think one thing we should consider is the number of groups we have. With forza, I'm not competing with other groups here on 2o2p for members, but how many Halo groups are there? How many BF groups etc. Maybe the groups dedicated to the same game should be combined? I dunno, it's just a thought. I just don't see the point of having several groups for the same game.
This one's for dooid, for the reasons stated above, this is why you don't see me posting much on the public forza forum. Anybody who's interested in what I have to say is more than likely already a member of 2o4f. Therefore, I just keep it all there.
Submitted by FreynApThyr on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:24
I should probably read all 95 of these comments before I jump in but I didn't.
Everything I've read so far has been thoughtful and civil so I don't want it to sound like I'm singling anyone out as picking on Deep. I just want to unconditionally throw support behind him from a founding member of the site, a contributor of cash and content for a large part of the time I've been here, and a constant annoyance to every mod that has ever accepted the thankless mantle of disassembling the messes I create with my complete disregard of the don't-be-a-dick-policy.
I'm in two clans. They suck by any measure you can measure a clan by. I've been in some others, they were good by those same measures. I'm in them because I like the dudes and they tolerate my bullshit. The site is a little different, I take it more seriously than most will realize.
I've never made any secret about my feelings about this site. If you are here and soaking up resources the least you can do is show some loyalty. Whether in your clan or out, none of this happens without doodi, dsmooth, the mods the admins and the people with some skin in the game.
Deep is one of those guys. He's earned the right to try what he wants for the betterment of the site and the benefit of any doubt as to motive or method.
I may or may not play on Thursday nights. It's my clan night. But one thing I won't do is criticize anyone of Deep's stature on the site for trying something he believes will make the place better. The whole place. Because no matter what you think about your clan it lives and breathes under the banner of a site founded on the idea not getting along with others.
And Fire is a dick.
Submitted by XF1R3X on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:28
<3 you Bubba
Submitted by Lala Calamari on Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:30
I agree on both points, but mostly the Fire is a dick one. That's the truest comment here.
Submitted by badmin on Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:38
You can continue the conversation at the link below.
http://www.2old2play.com/forum/talk-back/topic/do-clans-help-or-hinder-2old2play-498413