This is how I see it as a causual gamer. In the 8 years I've owned my Xbox 360...I am on my 3rd console, have spent thousands in the 8 years in games, mic's, downloads, ect. While that's a lot of money spent, it has taken 8 years to talley up that number. With XB1...I forsee thousands of dollars spent within the first 6 months of release, with all the fee's, the new games, the new mic's etc. And what means of "Red Ring of Death" will the XB1 present for having to "be on" all the time? Its not suprising they haven't listed a price for the cinderblock looking console...I'm guessing bare bones it will be at least $400/$500. That was the reason I got the Xbox 360 over the PS3 at the time, was more affordable.
Until all the unanswered questions are answered, and all the facts come out....even without any numbers being presented, I can confortably say that, it would be fiscally unresponsable for ME at this time to jump ship and climb aboard the XB1.
BTW....forgive me if this has been talked about, once the XB1 goes online, and up and running....will the live servers for the Xbox 360 be shut down?
Luckily the RROD got fixed and you won't need to be on your "3rd" XBOX ONE hopefully ever, unless you just decide to buy more.
No fees if you're talking about buying new games. And if used, the fees would be less than new anyway. So that's moot.
It's not on all the time. That's been established.
Xbox 360 launched at $400.
There are 15,000 servers currently. For the ONE launch they are going to have 300,000. It's not going to "go down" unless your internet goes down. And they both run on the same LIVE.
I waited for 2 years after the 360 was launched to get it, I believe it was the second price drop that finally persuaded me. Don't worry about the 360 there is still life in the old girl, I don't think Microsoft will abandon her for quite some time.
I have confidence in MS and their ability to deliver world class products. I also know they can fail to deliver. My first PC in 1998 incuded an ATI TV tuner card capable of handling Windows TV and offline data downloads. None of that ever worked in Canada as far as I know. I own a Surface and it is so good I could care less if any other tablet exists. I will gamble on the XB1 just as I did on the 360 and Surface. I expect it is a good bet.
I think people are getting a bit heated for nothing about this reveal. Everyone on this site is passionate about gaming otherwise we wouldn't shell out the dough for a hobby that my wife loves to tell me has "No real world value." That being said no time in history has there been so much choice when it comes to where you spend your gaming dollar. Between IOS/Android, PC, 360, PS3, PS4 and the Xbox One. We as gamers/consumers have tons of options and opportunity to get the most value for our dollar based on what features and capablities that speak to the type of gamer we are. I come from the old school (Hell I don't even have a smart phone.) who believes that paying to play online is something that should still be free. Guess what? There more then likely will be a console or of course my PC which will provide that option. My favorite genre's of games are single player action adventure and rpg's. More then likely there will be a console that will lean more towards those experiences then the other. If your into competitive multiplayer fps or sports games then there will be a console that will satisfy that need as well. Just cause one gamer has certain views and values certain features over another does not make or break the value of one console over another. I feel both Sony's and Microsofts recent reveals were nothing more then a massive large scale focus group test. They throw out features and idea's about where they are taking their next units and see how the general public reacts. Based on this reaction they have plenty of time to clarify and change what they need on the fly to suit the demographic that will sell them the most consoles. We all just have to cool our jets, wait and see what these companies decide, then spend our gaming dollar accordingly. More then likely everyone will end up playing the games they like to play on the platform that speaks to what type of gamer you are. Down the road if you want to see how the other half lives then pony up the green and get into a PS4, Xone, PC or Wii U. Or don't, once again it's about choice folks.
So LocGaw, you truly believe the new Xbox only has 1 gigabyte of RAM for games to use out of 8 total?
Take a look at everything we have today. Ignore the hype and break the thing down into parts.
What in the gaming world really taxes a system? High Res Multi screen gaming? Heavily modded games? I know you are you are not doing any of that if you are playing on a console.
If you have a room full of kids playing a kinnect party game do you really think it needs more than 1g for graphics or does it need as much as possible to keep track of the right people. Of course it doesn't... If you are playing something with some cranked up graphics then maybe you could use 3g but we hit the wall once we talk hardware.
x86... Really? Wow from a hardware/ISA stand point it is backwards compatable with it's grandfather. AMD Jaguar, good for 2ghz but not is a small form like this...
We are running the 768cores at 800mhz. Blistering graphics performance like that can be had for $135 in a discreet card. That would be running gddr5 though and it won't be sharing with the system.
So, to answer the question bluntly, no. It will use what it needs to and that will probably be 1g more often than not. This machine is not built to need any more. It is a really interesting machine to say the least. If high end gaming consoles peaked with the 360 then M$ has hit this right on the head. If the market has not peaked and people want a high end gaming console then M$ has to hope that Kinnect, the TV/Movie experience and it's exclusives will carry it. Me personally, I just wanted a gaming console. It was easy to see that the new box was not going to be a console long before it was announced.
Honestly, I think that M$ is moving closer to having the XBOX be a platform.
I think people who are not technical people in the IT field are not really going to understand how ONE works.
There specs for CPU and Memory are total system resource numbers. This is a virtual host, which means it is running at least TWO systems inside the one box. One is a gaming system and one is 'everything else' from what I understand. The gaming system will have a defined set of those total resources it can use for games because that's what devs want, they don't want a system that is variable. So yes ONE may have 8GB of ram but the common division iv'e been reading is 5GB for the gaming virtual machine and 3GB for the other virtual machine(s). Likewise, no one system will have access to all 8 cores of the CPU, those will also be divided up. The gaming virtual machine will no doubt take up the vast majority, i would *THINK* at least 6 cores but honestly i haven't read any rumors or speculation on how the CPU is divided.
Virtualization is hard to understand for non-techies. I had a hard time explaining it to management at work and why we needed it.
As an IT guy, I find this build very interesting. I also find it's ability to offload non-priority processes to the cloud and using distributed computations mind blowing. So the game could start rending the path in front of you, then stream that in instantly for you as you get there. Or it could compute virtual world environmental stuff like animal pathing, npc day/night cycles and things like that. So no only is your ONE an 8core 8gb machine, it now has 300,000 servers behind it in the cloud ready to help do game computations for you. The box is much more than the box sitting in your living room.
As someone who fully understands how this stuff works, believe me when I say this is an awesome design from pure technology standpoint.
I think people who are not technical people in the IT field are not really going to understand how ONE works.
There specs for CPU and Memory are total system resource numbers. This is a virtual host, which means it is running at least TWO systems inside the one box. One is a gaming system and one is 'everything else' from what I understand. The gaming system will have a defined set of those total resources it can use for games because that's what devs want, they don't want a system that is variable. So yes ONE may have 8GB of ram but the common division iv'e been reading is 5GB for the gaming virtual machine and 3GB for the other virtual machine(s). Likewise, no one system will have access to all 8 cores of the CPU, those will also be divided up. The gaming virtual machine will no doubt take up the vast majority, i would *THINK* at least 6 cores but honestly i haven't read any rumors or speculation on how the CPU is divided.
Virtualization is hard to understand for non-techies. I had a hard time explaining it to management at work and why we needed it.
As an IT guy, I find this build very interesting. I also find it's ability to offload non-priority processes to the cloud and using distributed computations mind blowing. So the game could start rending the path in front of you, then stream that in instantly for you as you get there. Or it could compute virtual world environmental stuff like animal pathing, npc day/night cycles and things like that. So no only is your ONE an 8core 8gb machine, it now has 300,000 servers behind it in the cloud ready to help do game computations for you. The box is much more than the box sitting in your living room.
As someone who fully understands how this stuff works, believe me when I say this is an awesome design from pure technology standpoint.
Here's a little more info if you haven't seen it Tank.
Very well stated Tank. The possibilites here are astounding. Even "simple" ones like applying current real world weather to game stadiums or race tracks based on where those should be in reality is interesting.
There are three consoles and three computers in this room right now. Sometimes they all get used at once. I don't regret being able to do that in the slightest, and I'm unsure why it would even be considered a bad thing. With the displays in this room, there could be 9 consoles running and the 3 computers would still have a screen to use... lol
Nice article link Biznass. Not a bad overview of the OS inside it.
Read the article, and my question is when it says "allocate the bulk of system resources to a second, dedicated "Xbox OS" when the user loads up a game." does the bulk of systems resources equal 12.5%? In other words, 1/8th? Does having the bulk of something mean you have a small fraction of it? Put another way, is the bulk of system resources for games just one of the eight available memory gigabytes?
It definitely sounded during the event like expertise across all of Microsoft was brought to bear on this console.
You now certain people keep saying we don't know enough to for an opinion...Sorry that's rubbish. I know that it is packed full of stuff I will never use, I know it needs an always on, fast, no data cap internet. I don't have that. I'm assuming my very expensive wheel and pedals won't work because they keep saying only One peripherals will work. I know the Kinnect has to be connected, and don't give me "you can cover it"...There seems to be a problem with your camera, please clean the lens and reboot!...If it needs it, it needs it, full stop.
I don't need to know what I don't know, just what I do.
Second hand PC games? Who needs them, Steam and Gamefly have a sale every week and I have never had to pay more than twenty quid for a PC game and often less. I wanted to like the One, I wanted a next gen games console...that is not what it is. I'm not sure what it is, but a dedicated games console it isn't.
I'm not angry, why would I be? Disappointed and a little bemused maybe, but when I think what I can add to my triple screen gaming PC for the probable price of the new console, peripherals and half a dozen games, I smile, oh yes, more toys for my gaming rig, that is where my money will go. Microsoft have already lost me on what I know now.
I hope those that buy it love it, I hope it is all they want, good luck to you.
So thank you Xbox, it's been fun, but we have grown apart, we want different things from life. It happens, no recriminations, no anger, no regrets.
You now certain people keep saying we don't know enough to for an opinion...Sorry that's rubbish. I know that it is packed full of stuff I will never use, I know it needs an always on, fast, no data cap internet. I don't have that. I'm assuming my very expensive wheel and pedals won't work because they keep saying only One peripherals will work. I know the Kinnect has to be connected, and don't give me "you can cover it"...There seems to be a problem with your camera, please clean the lens and reboot!...If it needs it, it needs it, full stop.
about 90% of what the 360 does, I don't use. And I never will. And I don't care - it does what I want to use it for and that's worth it to me. Same will go for the One. I play games with my friends and I get achievements. Occasionally I use Netflix on it. That's worth $400 every 8 years, to me.
The 360 requires always on / fast internet if you're playing online, same as the One does. The One does NOT require to always be connected 24/7. If you have dial up, no you're not going to use the One and you aren't playing on 360 with that either.
My SNES controllers didn't work with my N64 which didn't work with my Gamecube. My Xbox controllers didn't work on a 360. I don't see why that's such a surprise. But I do understand your frustration because your wheel is expensive - however you later say you don't care much about Forza so maybe it doesn't matter anyway.
The Kinect has to be connected. It's in "wait" sound mode when the system isn't on waiting for a vocal command. It's not spying on you. I don't like stuff sitting in front of my TV, which is my issue. But I'll deal with it.
Like you said, you've moved on to PC. So, enjoy and happy trails.
I have a hard time understanding not purchasing a console that is going to have more games than ever because it offers other things too.
The data cap I can understand.
On Xbox 360 I do not use ESPN or Music. I guess I made a silly decision to purchase one years ago because there were a few services I never used? What?
I guess at the end of the day I wanted a console with new, interesting games. New, interesting games are coming with Xbox One and more games are in development for it now than any other Xbox has ever had at once. If it also offers HBOgo that does not diminish my desire to play games at all. I have no idea why that would.
Xbox One is gettings tons of exclusive games and more games total than ever, but that doesn't satisfy people who want games I guess.
I have a hard time understanding not purchasing a console that is going to have more games than ever because it offers other things too.
The data cap I can understand.
On Xbox 360 I do not use ESPN or Music. I guess I made a silly decision to purchase one years ago because there were a few services I never used? What?
I guess at the end of the day I wanted a console with new, interesting games. New, interesting games are coming with Xbox One and more games are in development for it now than any other Xbox has ever had at once. If it also offers HBOgo that does not diminish my desire to play games at all. I have no idea why that would.
Xbox One is gettings tons of exclusive games and more games total than ever, but that doesn't satisfy people who want games I guess.
Yes, you have posted over an over what you think, and made it clear in your oh so resonable manner that anyone who thinks different is somehow missing some point, misinformed or angry... I wont be buying it, I don't want it, it's not for me. You have fun with yours, I'll have fun on my PC, everybody's happy.
I want an Xbox One, the main reason I switched from Playstation to the first Xbox was the games. I love Forza, Halo and Gears all Xbox exclusives. I will at some stage get it but I really dislike paying for things I don't want just because it's included with the bits I do. I just hope that the addition of all the bells and whistles doesn't put it's cost out of my reach. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic about the price as there has been no real evidence of what it will be. I live in the real world with actual responsibilities and I have to weigh things up regarding prioritizing my spend. If it's within my budget at launch then happy days if not it will just take a bit longer to get it. When I do get it I'm sure it will give me as much enjoyment as the 360 has.
Yeah I'll miss Halo, Forza forgive for saying, not so much. It started me on a road that is giving me a lot of pleasure and I had great fun from forza one on to four, maybe if my Elite and CPS's work on it I may pick a second hand one up in a couple of years to revisit Forza. But I don't think it will, you cannot even buy a new one, the site says "not released yet" And I have not long paid for it. Gears I never did get into so maybe I should check it out again.
I said a few pages back that I thought the reveal was pretty awesome. I have since watched it again and I stand by that. I am excited for it. Sure, I have nervousness about things like everyone else...rentals (which my two little kids rely on), peripherals, kinect's eye with little kids around, etc. All of that is not enough to stop me from trying to be a first day adopter if possible. I know there have been some concerns voiced here about 'cost'...splash costs from purchase of the system and initial games at launch, and then ripple costs from live subscription, additional peripherals, rental fees, etc.
For me, cost is exactly the reason that I AM buying one at launch. To me, the analysis works out like this:
Acquisition Cost
Annual Cost
Cost Per Month
Cost Per Day
Xbox One (8 year life)
$599.00
$6.24
NA
$0.02
AAA Game (6 per year)
$354.00
$354.00
$29.50
$0.97
Live Sub (1 per year)
$59.00
$59.00
$4.92
$0.16
Peripheral Budget (per year)
$200.00
$200.00
$16.67
$0.55
Year 1
Year 2
Year 3
Year 4
Year 5
Year 6
Year 7
Year 8
Annual Cost
$1,212.00
$613.00
$613.00
$613.00
$613.00
$613.00
$613.00
$613.00
Monthly Cost
$101.00
$51.08
1.08
$51.08
$51.08
$51.08
$51.08
$51.08
Daily Cost
$3.32
$1.68
$1.68
$1.68
$1.68
$1.68
$1.68
$1.68
I am being very conservative here...most people won't spend that much on peripherals in a year and honestly, most people probably don't buy new 6 AAA games per year. Some people I know buy one or two a year only, typically the Halo and COD of that current year. This might look like a lot or might look like a little depending on your own personal economic position in life, but when I consider all of the fun that I have had on my Xbox, the relationships and friendships that I have built, the cost outlay is well worth it to me. Seems like a pretty small investment to enjoy some pretty damn fun gaming to me, but just my opinion. For this gamer, for less money than I spend on one cup of coffee at work, it is a no brainer.
yeah $200 is super high for peripherals. After 4 controllers, then what? Also you can get LIVE for $35 a card if you wait for sales, and then buy a bunch and stack them - which halves your cost, almost. I probably spend more than that on games a year though. However I guess we'll see if they're tied to your card.
yeah $200 is super high for peripherals. After 4 controllers, then what? Also you can get LIVE for $35 a card if you wait for sales, and then buy a bunch and stack them - which halves your cost, almost. I probably spend more than that on games a year though. However I guess we'll see if they're tied to your card.
Yeah, I know ;) The point was to show the high end so that it could demonstrate the high end of what someone 'might' spend and that relatively speaking, it was still pretty low.
As far as the actual console price, would $250 be completely surprising given Microsoft's stated plan for the device and the paid offerings it includes over time?
I hope it comes out the same price as the high end launch 360, or a bit less. Then I'll shake my head at those who wanted a console for games, yet would still be unwilling to pay less for one that has more games than 360 at launch.
It's not unrealistic to think it could be less expensive than a launch Xbox 360, is it? Market share and ecosystems are astoundingly critical in consoles now, and launch is a key time.
I don't think there are many pieces of hardware that can be installed into a PC that suddenly allow the amount of games a new Xbox would allow. It'd make existing ones run a bit smoother, or load a few seconds quicker, but to me that has far less value than tons more games available with new and interesting features.
Just so I don't seem anti-PC when I say those things, here is a picture of my PC setup for reference. It's the one on the right. For the cost of the displays alone I could have gotten a dozen or so consoles. I still think a new Xbox is an extremely better purchase if the goal is more games and new gameplay than any hardware component.
Anyways, any thoughts on various prices, as well as launch dates and initial countries to get the console? How about data caps affecting it as was brought up earlier?
data caps are irrelevant to this. Gaming online does not take much bandwidth at all. Game downloads sure, but how many full disc games will you download? Caps are usually 250GB a month. It's almost impossible to get anywhere near that and if you did your box would be filled up within two months (500GB drive). You don't need a ton of speed.
I'm in the same boat - I own 360 X 2, PS3, HTPC, Macbook, 3DS, Vita. I used to own a Wii but sold it to my sister.
I'm no fanboy, I know all systems have different things to offer.
"they’ve been told by Microsoft and Sony, call for the next-generation systems to have a “lower opening price point than they did last cycle,” Robert Lloyd, the chief financial officer of Gamestop, told analysts on Thursday."
Over here in the UK data caps are normally 2gig to 30gig. Most people have a data cap of 20gig
After that its normally unlimited. Lucky for me I am on unlimited but I do pay for it and luckily live in a area where this is possible unlike some people who have to relay in mobile networks. Just saying lads. It's interesting reading this topic though :)
Luckily the RROD got fixed and you won't need to be on your "3rd" XBOX ONE hopefully ever, unless you just decide to buy more.
No fees if you're talking about buying new games. And if used, the fees would be less than new anyway. So that's moot.
It's not on all the time. That's been established.
Xbox 360 launched at $400.
There are 15,000 servers currently. For the ONE launch they are going to have 300,000. It's not going to "go down" unless your internet goes down. And they both run on the same LIVE.
I waited for 2 years after the 360 was launched to get it, I believe it was the second price drop that finally persuaded me. Don't worry about the 360 there is still life in the old girl, I don't think Microsoft will abandon her for quite some time.
I have confidence in MS and their ability to deliver world class products. I also know they can fail to deliver. My first PC in 1998 incuded an ATI TV tuner card capable of handling Windows TV and offline data downloads. None of that ever worked in Canada as far as I know. I own a Surface and it is so good I could care less if any other tablet exists. I will gamble on the XB1 just as I did on the 360 and Surface. I expect it is a good bet.
I think people are getting a bit heated for nothing about this reveal. Everyone on this site is passionate about gaming otherwise we wouldn't shell out the dough for a hobby that my wife loves to tell me has "No real world value." That being said no time in history has there been so much choice when it comes to where you spend your gaming dollar. Between IOS/Android, PC, 360, PS3, PS4 and the Xbox One. We as gamers/consumers have tons of options and opportunity to get the most value for our dollar based on what features and capablities that speak to the type of gamer we are. I come from the old school (Hell I don't even have a smart phone.) who believes that paying to play online is something that should still be free. Guess what? There more then likely will be a console or of course my PC which will provide that option. My favorite genre's of games are single player action adventure and rpg's. More then likely there will be a console that will lean more towards those experiences then the other. If your into competitive multiplayer fps or sports games then there will be a console that will satisfy that need as well. Just cause one gamer has certain views and values certain features over another does not make or break the value of one console over another. I feel both Sony's and Microsofts recent reveals were nothing more then a massive large scale focus group test. They throw out features and idea's about where they are taking their next units and see how the general public reacts. Based on this reaction they have plenty of time to clarify and change what they need on the fly to suit the demographic that will sell them the most consoles. We all just have to cool our jets, wait and see what these companies decide, then spend our gaming dollar accordingly. More then likely everyone will end up playing the games they like to play on the platform that speaks to what type of gamer you are. Down the road if you want to see how the other half lives then pony up the green and get into a PS4, Xone, PC or Wii U. Or don't, once again it's about choice folks.
Alright everyone lets pull it back a bit.
It is safe to assume not everyone has read every bit of information (correct or incorrect) that is on the net. Nor should we expect them to.
Yes we will end up repeating ourselves again and again, just like it happened before the 360 launched.
Everybody say WOO-SAAAAA, WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
Lets try to be helpfull instead of douchey. Group hugs.
So LocGaw, you truly believe the new Xbox only has 1 gigabyte of RAM for games to use out of 8 total?
Take a look at everything we have today. Ignore the hype and break the thing down into parts.
What in the gaming world really taxes a system? High Res Multi screen gaming? Heavily modded games? I know you are you are not doing any of that if you are playing on a console.
If you have a room full of kids playing a kinnect party game do you really think it needs more than 1g for graphics or does it need as much as possible to keep track of the right people. Of course it doesn't... If you are playing something with some cranked up graphics then maybe you could use 3g but we hit the wall once we talk hardware.
x86... Really? Wow from a hardware/ISA stand point it is backwards compatable with it's grandfather. AMD Jaguar, good for 2ghz but not is a small form like this...
We are running the 768cores at 800mhz. Blistering graphics performance like that can be had for $135 in a discreet card. That would be running gddr5 though and it won't be sharing with the system.
So, to answer the question bluntly, no. It will use what it needs to and that will probably be 1g more often than not. This machine is not built to need any more. It is a really interesting machine to say the least. If high end gaming consoles peaked with the 360 then M$ has hit this right on the head. If the market has not peaked and people want a high end gaming console then M$ has to hope that Kinnect, the TV/Movie experience and it's exclusives will carry it. Me personally, I just wanted a gaming console. It was easy to see that the new box was not going to be a console long before it was announced.
Honestly, I think that M$ is moving closer to having the XBOX be a platform.
Epic autarch :-)
I think people who are not technical people in the IT field are not really going to understand how ONE works.
There specs for CPU and Memory are total system resource numbers. This is a virtual host, which means it is running at least TWO systems inside the one box. One is a gaming system and one is 'everything else' from what I understand. The gaming system will have a defined set of those total resources it can use for games because that's what devs want, they don't want a system that is variable. So yes ONE may have 8GB of ram but the common division iv'e been reading is 5GB for the gaming virtual machine and 3GB for the other virtual machine(s). Likewise, no one system will have access to all 8 cores of the CPU, those will also be divided up. The gaming virtual machine will no doubt take up the vast majority, i would *THINK* at least 6 cores but honestly i haven't read any rumors or speculation on how the CPU is divided.
Virtualization is hard to understand for non-techies. I had a hard time explaining it to management at work and why we needed it.
As an IT guy, I find this build very interesting. I also find it's ability to offload non-priority processes to the cloud and using distributed computations mind blowing. So the game could start rending the path in front of you, then stream that in instantly for you as you get there. Or it could compute virtual world environmental stuff like animal pathing, npc day/night cycles and things like that. So no only is your ONE an 8core 8gb machine, it now has 300,000 servers behind it in the cloud ready to help do game computations for you. The box is much more than the box sitting in your living room.
As someone who fully understands how this stuff works, believe me when I say this is an awesome design from pure technology standpoint.
Here's a little more info if you haven't seen it Tank.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-runs-three-operating-systems/
Very well stated Tank. The possibilites here are astounding. Even "simple" ones like applying current real world weather to game stadiums or race tracks based on where those should be in reality is interesting.
There are three consoles and three computers in this room right now. Sometimes they all get used at once. I don't regret being able to do that in the slightest, and I'm unsure why it would even be considered a bad thing. With the displays in this room, there could be 9 consoles running and the 3 computers would still have a screen to use... lol
Was this discussed during that headset and accessory bit?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/23/microsoft-taps-turtle-beach-for-xbox-one-headsets
Nice article link Biznass. Not a bad overview of the OS inside it.
Read the article, and my question is when it says "allocate the bulk of system resources to a second, dedicated "Xbox OS" when the user loads up a game." does the bulk of systems resources equal 12.5%? In other words, 1/8th? Does having the bulk of something mean you have a small fraction of it? Put another way, is the bulk of system resources for games just one of the eight available memory gigabytes?
It definitely sounded during the event like expertise across all of Microsoft was brought to bear on this console.
You now certain people keep saying we don't know enough to for an opinion...Sorry that's rubbish. I know that it is packed full of stuff I will never use, I know it needs an always on, fast, no data cap internet. I don't have that. I'm assuming my very expensive wheel and pedals won't work because they keep saying only One peripherals will work. I know the Kinnect has to be connected, and don't give me "you can cover it"...There seems to be a problem with your camera, please clean the lens and reboot!...If it needs it, it needs it, full stop.
I don't need to know what I don't know, just what I do.
Second hand PC games? Who needs them, Steam and Gamefly have a sale every week and I have never had to pay more than twenty quid for a PC game and often less. I wanted to like the One, I wanted a next gen games console...that is not what it is. I'm not sure what it is, but a dedicated games console it isn't.
I'm not angry, why would I be? Disappointed and a little bemused maybe, but when I think what I can add to my triple screen gaming PC for the probable price of the new console, peripherals and half a dozen games, I smile, oh yes, more toys for my gaming rig, that is where my money will go. Microsoft have already lost me on what I know now.
I hope those that buy it love it, I hope it is all they want, good luck to you.
So thank you Xbox, it's been fun, but we have grown apart, we want different things from life. It happens, no recriminations, no anger, no regrets.
about 90% of what the 360 does, I don't use. And I never will. And I don't care - it does what I want to use it for and that's worth it to me. Same will go for the One. I play games with my friends and I get achievements. Occasionally I use Netflix on it. That's worth $400 every 8 years, to me.
The 360 requires always on / fast internet if you're playing online, same as the One does. The One does NOT require to always be connected 24/7. If you have dial up, no you're not going to use the One and you aren't playing on 360 with that either.
My SNES controllers didn't work with my N64 which didn't work with my Gamecube. My Xbox controllers didn't work on a 360. I don't see why that's such a surprise. But I do understand your frustration because your wheel is expensive - however you later say you don't care much about Forza so maybe it doesn't matter anyway.
The Kinect has to be connected. It's in "wait" sound mode when the system isn't on waiting for a vocal command. It's not spying on you. I don't like stuff sitting in front of my TV, which is my issue. But I'll deal with it.
Like you said, you've moved on to PC. So, enjoy and happy trails.
Promise?
And when my daughters are watching My Little Pony? What about then?
Yes, I will go ahead and promise. Does that make you feel better? It's a ridiculous conspiracy theorist type thinking.
I have a hard time understanding not purchasing a console that is going to have more games than ever because it offers other things too.
The data cap I can understand.
On Xbox 360 I do not use ESPN or Music. I guess I made a silly decision to purchase one years ago because there were a few services I never used? What?
I guess at the end of the day I wanted a console with new, interesting games. New, interesting games are coming with Xbox One and more games are in development for it now than any other Xbox has ever had at once. If it also offers HBOgo that does not diminish my desire to play games at all. I have no idea why that would.
Xbox One is gettings tons of exclusive games and more games total than ever, but that doesn't satisfy people who want games I guess.
Yes, you have posted over an over what you think, and made it clear in your oh so resonable manner that anyone who thinks different is somehow missing some point, misinformed or angry... I wont be buying it, I don't want it, it's not for me. You have fun with yours, I'll have fun on my PC, everybody's happy.
I want an Xbox One, the main reason I switched from Playstation to the first Xbox was the games. I love Forza, Halo and Gears all Xbox exclusives. I will at some stage get it but I really dislike paying for things I don't want just because it's included with the bits I do. I just hope that the addition of all the bells and whistles doesn't put it's cost out of my reach. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic about the price as there has been no real evidence of what it will be. I live in the real world with actual responsibilities and I have to weigh things up regarding prioritizing my spend. If it's within my budget at launch then happy days if not it will just take a bit longer to get it. When I do get it I'm sure it will give me as much enjoyment as the 360 has.
Yeah I'll miss Halo, Forza forgive for saying, not so much. It started me on a road that is giving me a lot of pleasure and I had great fun from forza one on to four, maybe if my Elite and CPS's work on it I may pick a second hand one up in a couple of years to revisit Forza. But I don't think it will, you cannot even buy a new one, the site says "not released yet" And I have not long paid for it. Gears I never did get into so maybe I should check it out again.
I said a few pages back that I thought the reveal was pretty awesome. I have since watched it again and I stand by that. I am excited for it. Sure, I have nervousness about things like everyone else...rentals (which my two little kids rely on), peripherals, kinect's eye with little kids around, etc. All of that is not enough to stop me from trying to be a first day adopter if possible. I know there have been some concerns voiced here about 'cost'...splash costs from purchase of the system and initial games at launch, and then ripple costs from live subscription, additional peripherals, rental fees, etc.
For me, cost is exactly the reason that I AM buying one at launch. To me, the analysis works out like this:
I am being very conservative here...most people won't spend that much on peripherals in a year and honestly, most people probably don't buy new 6 AAA games per year. Some people I know buy one or two a year only, typically the Halo and COD of that current year. This might look like a lot or might look like a little depending on your own personal economic position in life, but when I consider all of the fun that I have had on my Xbox, the relationships and friendships that I have built, the cost outlay is well worth it to me. Seems like a pretty small investment to enjoy some pretty damn fun gaming to me, but just my opinion. For this gamer, for less money than I spend on one cup of coffee at work, it is a no brainer.
yeah $200 is super high for peripherals. After 4 controllers, then what? Also you can get LIVE for $35 a card if you wait for sales, and then buy a bunch and stack them - which halves your cost, almost. I probably spend more than that on games a year though. However I guess we'll see if they're tied to your card.
Yeah, I know ;) The point was to show the high end so that it could demonstrate the high end of what someone 'might' spend and that relatively speaking, it was still pretty low.
As far as the actual console price, would $250 be completely surprising given Microsoft's stated plan for the device and the paid offerings it includes over time?
I hope it comes out the same price as the high end launch 360, or a bit less. Then I'll shake my head at those who wanted a console for games, yet would still be unwilling to pay less for one that has more games than 360 at launch.
It's not unrealistic to think it could be less expensive than a launch Xbox 360, is it? Market share and ecosystems are astoundingly critical in consoles now, and launch is a key time.
I don't think there are many pieces of hardware that can be installed into a PC that suddenly allow the amount of games a new Xbox would allow. It'd make existing ones run a bit smoother, or load a few seconds quicker, but to me that has far less value than tons more games available with new and interesting features.
Just so I don't seem anti-PC when I say those things, here is a picture of my PC setup for reference. It's the one on the right. For the cost of the displays alone I could have gotten a dozen or so consoles. I still think a new Xbox is an extremely better purchase if the goal is more games and new gameplay than any hardware component.
Anyways, any thoughts on various prices, as well as launch dates and initial countries to get the console? How about data caps affecting it as was brought up earlier?
data caps are irrelevant to this. Gaming online does not take much bandwidth at all. Game downloads sure, but how many full disc games will you download? Caps are usually 250GB a month. It's almost impossible to get anywhere near that and if you did your box would be filled up within two months (500GB drive). You don't need a ton of speed.
I'm in the same boat - I own 360 X 2, PS3, HTPC, Macbook, 3DS, Vita. I used to own a Wii but sold it to my sister.
I'm no fanboy, I know all systems have different things to offer.
"they’ve been told by Microsoft and Sony, call for the next-generation systems to have a “lower opening price point than they did last cycle,” Robert Lloyd, the chief financial officer of Gamestop, told analysts on Thursday."
So much for too expensive and no games?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039700/gamestop-xbox-one-will-be-priced-...
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre...
Details on the whole who owns the game and trade ins. Seems like hoop jumping bullshit to me. Kiss lending and private sales goodbye.