The ONE 'could' be back compat if Microsoft wanted to code an emulator. However they did that with the 360 for xbox1 games so they already have real data on the amount of money it takes to do that per title, the percentage of usage it gets and the success rate of those games running emulated. I"m sure it all equats to "not worth the investment".
There are rumors of a $99 360 being released shortly after ONE. So i twon't cost much to buy a 360 to play 360 games on or... just keep yours. Shit... ihave three 360's, if i wanted to play 360 games i'd trade 2 and keep 1.
I'm nto sure what i've seen for media playing there's really enough there to justify the price difference between a 360 and a ONE. How much better can it stream Netflixh or HuLu really? I suppose for people who don't have Kinect, they may be dazzled by the kinect enhacemetns but as someone who does have kinect, it's not really doing that much more. The biggest thing is the realtime split screen stuff.
I think ONE is interesting from a purly technical standpoint with it's virtualization and distributed computing in the cloud. I"m just not sure how this equates to a revolutionary game experience yet, i need to see the games and see waht devs are doing with this kind of capabilities. Bring on E3.
The controversy over digital libraries and being forced to abandon them when uppping to the new platform is an interesting one. I suppose it's really not any different than your physical library, you can't play those games either unless you keep yoru old system. The biggest difference I see is you can at least trade in your physical media, your digital media is just loss. I suppose this one of the advantages of PC gaming, with some work your PC an run games from 15 years ago. Likewise if you buy a game on steam, you download it to your HD, it runs with or without steam if you do that. Yoru console can't which is a reminder that it's a console, it's designed for a specific thing for a specific era and once that era is done you move on.
The controversy over digital libraries and being forced to abandon them when uppping to the new platform is an interesting one. I suppose it's really not any different than your physical library, you can't play those games either unless you keep yoru old system. The biggest difference I see is you can at least trade in your physical media, your digital media is just loss. I suppose this one of the advantages of PC gaming, with some work your PC an run games from 15 years ago. Likewise if you buy a game on steam, you download it to your HD, it runs with or without steam if you do that. Yoru console can't which is a reminder that it's a console, it's designed for a specific thing for a specific era and once that era is done you move on.
Absolutely, but when you're thinking of trading in, you'll have to do it now, while you still can get some good cash for your stuff. Next year, it will be next to worthless if the pricedrop you're talking about is legit. If a 360 drops below the €100, then the games will have to drop significantly in price too. No sane person in the world will buy a €60 game for a €99 system. That's just frigging way out there.
I agree with the era-vibe, but the thing is that my Genesis doesn't care which era it is in, and an unsupported 360 10 years later most certainly will. You can't even fire it up then to play the old Arcade-titles, since by then XBL will have evolved into something your old 360 can't handle anymore. It will be impossible for some of the newer titles to phone home.
The ONE 'could' be back compat if Microsoft wanted to code an emulator. However they did that with the 360 for xbox1 games so they already have real data on the amount of money it takes to do that per title, the percentage of usage it gets and the success rate of those games running emulated. I"m sure it all equats to "not worth the investment".
The trouble with relying on that data is that now there are some 55+ million more Xbox 360 owners than the approx. 20 million original Xbox owners who existed when the 360 was released. And hundreds of millions more games sold for the 360 than for the original Xbox.
Back then, backward compatibility wasn't very important because there were far fewer Xbox gamers and games out there. So the lack of interest in BC back then isn't a good indicator of the level of interest in BC now.
The ONE 'could' be back compat if Microsoft wanted to code an emulator. However they did that with the 360 for xbox1 games so they already have real data on the amount of money it takes to do that per title, the percentage of usage it gets and the success rate of those games running emulated. I"m sure it all equats to "not worth the investment".
I’m a little (only a little) surprised they can’t justify BWC as a marketing expense. “All in ONE” is a pretty nifty slogan until you want to play some Gears. At which point you’ll need a couple other devices. And instead of saying, “xbox, play Gears of War, you’ll need to go old school with something closer to, “Junior, get your butt in here and put that disk in my xbox”. Not going BWC seems to contradict MS’s core philosophy.
There wasn't a lack of interest in backward compatibility. In fact, everyone wanted to be able to play Halo 2 on the 360. The problem was, it sucked ass
There wasn't a lack of interest in backward compatibility. In fact, everyone wanted to be able to play Halo 2 on the 360. The problem was, it sucked ass
Another good example for Halo 2 is the amount of fans they had playing when they decided to kill the servers. It doesn't seem to matter to the companies, when they want to turn off the lights they turn off the lights.
Regionlocking indeed isn't an issue. It was though for those who bought games in Thailand. On the whole though, the number of people who bought blank disks in colorful dvd-cases were larger than the nummer of people who actually lucked out with a $10 AAA title bought on vacation abroad. ^^
Well in the 360, Microsoft left the decision of games being region locked or not up to the individual puplishers. With ONE, Microsoft is taking that decision away from them and enforcing it.. Guess that'll put an end to buying cheap new release games from PlayAsia.com and similar sites. The reason might have something to do with all the cloud infrastructure behind ONE. A north american region game would access the server farms here, where as an EU would access servers over there. It probably wouldn't be a good experience if someone in EU tried to use a NA region game and it was trying to talk to servers across the pond. Just my guess on the matter.
It's understandable such questions would be raised. Microsoft should provide more details, as usual, but hasn't yet.
My guess is that the Kinect will respond to an "xbox on" voice command, and only then will the main console become powered and able to function beyond sending a trickle of power to the sensor. The Kinect will probably then also have its main functions come online. The glowing Xbox logos will light up so its clear the system is now powered and on.
I don't think it is designed to function in "spy mode". I don't think it is capable of using its camera portion unless the system is actually powered on.
Really? I don't think that having questions about a camera that's always on in your living room qualifies as paranoia. That's a real jagoff thing to say right there.
The Xbox One is shaping up to be one the biggest Microsoft failures ever. They would have been better off just keeping the 360 going for another 5 years, letting Sony go ahead alone with its PS4 (which will likely lose money, just like the PS3 did).
The Xbox One is shaping up to be one the biggest Microsoft failures ever. They would have been better off just keeping the 360 going for another 5 years, letting Sony go ahead alone with its PS4 (which will likely lose money, just like the PS3 did).
Quoting so you can't delete it. Seriously, the Zune?
I guarantee you in 2 years this post will seem really, really shortsighted. Saying things like this is really ridiculous.
The Xbox One is shaping up to be one the biggest Microsoft failures ever. They would have been better off just keeping the 360 going for another 5 years, letting Sony go ahead alone with its PS4 (which will likely lose money, just like the PS3 did).
Quoting so you can't delete it. Seriously, the Zune?
I guarantee you in 2 years this post will seem really, really shortsighted. Saying things like this is really ridiculous.
They must have spent much more on developing the XBone than the Zune. So if the XBone fails, it will be a grander failure.
Will it actually fail? Depends on what they do to address the public's concerns about trading used games, the always-watching Kinect, playing single-player games offline, ability of households with multiple consoles to easily move the same game around to different consoles, adding external storage that isn't limited to overpriced and undersized proprietary hardware, etc.
The Kinect camera is pretty easy to block even with a basic post-it note or something custom designed. If it just needs the mic to listen for the on command while it's sleeping, that shouldn't cause any operational issues. I'm still not sure I like that it is listenting to the environment though. Knowing that Microsoft is tryign to compete with Google for advertising, knowing that they purchased an internet marketing company, knowing they have cloud processing for voice recognition, knowing the ONE will have both a stripped down version of WIndows 8 and forces you to use Internet Explorer for browsing all that i think adds up to some cause for concern. Initially if the privacy concerns are on everyones mind, i'm sure Microsoft will tighten up on security. But over time after everyone's calmed down, who knows what an update here a patch there and a ToS ammendment may open the doors to when we're not paying attention.
The Kinect camera is pretty easy to block even with a basic post-it note or something custom designed.
Unless the rumor is true that the console will refuse to work unless the camera sees somebody in the room. And it has infrared sensors so you can't just point it at a picture or statue.
Not really disturbing. It is already known that Kinect 2 datamines your livingroom. It fits in their system-wide DRM vision. It's easy to have a game phone home to see if a user owns the lisence to play that game. With movies, the lisence to watch it is moot, the amount of people who are watching is much more important.
Hasn't the Xbox 360 captured the lion's share of market over Playstation? It simply looks to me like Microsoft feels they have a commanding presence in the game market and are now looking to expand on it into the more lucrative and vastly larger home entertainment market in general. It also looks like they consider the gaming industry as part of that "home entertainment" market.
Hang on boys (and the three or so girls out there ), if gaming ain't mainstream now, it wll be.
Honestly I see little difference. The 360 already has the ESPN app, HBO Go, Hulu, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter. Adding a passthrough for a cable box isn't actually too huge a thing. It'll only work in certain cases anyway.
A hard drive with a Universal Serial Bus connection will work as external storage.
There is no official word to suggest Kinect is "always watching"
What is the benifit to choosing to play a single player game offline if your Internet is fully functional at that time?
They've stated they're going to allow resale and trading of games, we're just waiting for details.
People use the Xbox 360 for entertainment beyond games already quite a bit. Now, Xbox One will have considerably more exclusive and total games in its first year than Xbox 360, while still having entertainment options.
It's stupidly easy to check if something is sending network traffic using a router. People would be able to verify the Xbox One cannot send network traffic while in standby mode waiting for the words "Xbox On". There is no point in Microsoft trying to hide or cover up the grand conspiracy for the illuminati or whatever, because millions of people with a router could just check from their own homes to see what was going on.
The ONE 'could' be back compat if Microsoft wanted to code an emulator. However they did that with the 360 for xbox1 games so they already have real data on the amount of money it takes to do that per title, the percentage of usage it gets and the success rate of those games running emulated. I"m sure it all equats to "not worth the investment".
There are rumors of a $99 360 being released shortly after ONE. So i twon't cost much to buy a 360 to play 360 games on or... just keep yours. Shit... ihave three 360's, if i wanted to play 360 games i'd trade 2 and keep 1.
I'm nto sure what i've seen for media playing there's really enough there to justify the price difference between a 360 and a ONE. How much better can it stream Netflixh or HuLu really? I suppose for people who don't have Kinect, they may be dazzled by the kinect enhacemetns but as someone who does have kinect, it's not really doing that much more. The biggest thing is the realtime split screen stuff.
I think ONE is interesting from a purly technical standpoint with it's virtualization and distributed computing in the cloud. I"m just not sure how this equates to a revolutionary game experience yet, i need to see the games and see waht devs are doing with this kind of capabilities. Bring on E3.
The controversy over digital libraries and being forced to abandon them when uppping to the new platform is an interesting one. I suppose it's really not any different than your physical library, you can't play those games either unless you keep yoru old system. The biggest difference I see is you can at least trade in your physical media, your digital media is just loss. I suppose this one of the advantages of PC gaming, with some work your PC an run games from 15 years ago. Likewise if you buy a game on steam, you download it to your HD, it runs with or without steam if you do that. Yoru console can't which is a reminder that it's a console, it's designed for a specific thing for a specific era and once that era is done you move on.
Absolutely, but when you're thinking of trading in, you'll have to do it now, while you still can get some good cash for your stuff. Next year, it will be next to worthless if the pricedrop you're talking about is legit. If a 360 drops below the €100, then the games will have to drop significantly in price too. No sane person in the world will buy a €60 game for a €99 system. That's just frigging way out there.
I agree with the era-vibe, but the thing is that my Genesis doesn't care which era it is in, and an unsupported 360 10 years later most certainly will. You can't even fire it up then to play the old Arcade-titles, since by then XBL will have evolved into something your old 360 can't handle anymore. It will be impossible for some of the newer titles to phone home.
The trouble with relying on that data is that now there are some 55+ million more Xbox 360 owners than the approx. 20 million original Xbox owners who existed when the 360 was released. And hundreds of millions more games sold for the 360 than for the original Xbox.
Back then, backward compatibility wasn't very important because there were far fewer Xbox gamers and games out there. So the lack of interest in BC back then isn't a good indicator of the level of interest in BC now.
I’m a little (only a little) surprised they can’t justify BWC as a marketing expense. “All in ONE” is a pretty nifty slogan until you want to play some Gears. At which point you’ll need a couple other devices. And instead of saying, “xbox, play Gears of War, you’ll need to go old school with something closer to, “Junior, get your butt in here and put that disk in my xbox”. Not going BWC seems to contradict MS’s core philosophy.
There wasn't a lack of interest in backward compatibility. In fact, everyone wanted to be able to play Halo 2 on the 360. The problem was, it sucked ass
Another good example for Halo 2 is the amount of fans they had playing when they decided to kill the servers. It doesn't seem to matter to the companies, when they want to turn off the lights they turn off the lights.
Reports are saying the Xbox One is region locked much like the Xbox 360 is.
Obviously this is a huge catastrophe.
Think of the children.
Region locking was never an issue for me. Any content I needed/wanted was bought for my locale and worked right out of the box.
Regionlocking indeed isn't an issue. It was though for those who bought games in Thailand. On the whole though, the number of people who bought blank disks in colorful dvd-cases were larger than the nummer of people who actually lucked out with a $10 AAA title bought on vacation abroad. ^^
Australia joins Germany in condemning Xbox One for being a surveillance device. Considered a "major breach of privacy"
http://games.ninemsn.com.au/news/privacy-breach-xbox-one-a-twisted-night...
i wondered how long it would take before some group or govt based organizations started raising questions.
tinfoil hat crews, unite. They haven't even laid hand upon one or understood how it works. Waiting for an "on" signal is not surveillance.
Well in the 360, Microsoft left the decision of games being region locked or not up to the individual puplishers. With ONE, Microsoft is taking that decision away from them and enforcing it.. Guess that'll put an end to buying cheap new release games from PlayAsia.com and similar sites. The reason might have something to do with all the cloud infrastructure behind ONE. A north american region game would access the server farms here, where as an EU would access servers over there. It probably wouldn't be a good experience if someone in EU tried to use a NA region game and it was trying to talk to servers across the pond. Just my guess on the matter.
It's understandable such questions would be raised. Microsoft should provide more details, as usual, but hasn't yet.
My guess is that the Kinect will respond to an "xbox on" voice command, and only then will the main console become powered and able to function beyond sending a trickle of power to the sensor. The Kinect will probably then also have its main functions come online. The glowing Xbox logos will light up so its clear the system is now powered and on.
I don't think it is designed to function in "spy mode". I don't think it is capable of using its camera portion unless the system is actually powered on.
Some official words would help here though.
Until then,
Really? I don't think that having questions about a camera that's always on in your living room qualifies as paranoia. That's a real jagoff thing to say right there.
The Xbox One is shaping up to be one the biggest Microsoft failures ever. They would have been better off just keeping the 360 going for another 5 years, letting Sony go ahead alone with its PS4 (which will likely lose money, just like the PS3 did).
Quoting so you can't delete it. Seriously, the Zune?
I guarantee you in 2 years this post will seem really, really shortsighted. Saying things like this is really ridiculous.
They must have spent much more on developing the XBone than the Zune. So if the XBone fails, it will be a grander failure.
Will it actually fail? Depends on what they do to address the public's concerns about trading used games, the always-watching Kinect, playing single-player games offline, ability of households with multiple consoles to easily move the same game around to different consoles, adding external storage that isn't limited to overpriced and undersized proprietary hardware, etc.
Like I said, there needs to be official responses.
For example, there is nothing that says the camera is always on.
There is nothing that says it is capable of receiving network traffic while in standby mode.
There is absolutely nothing that says anyone at Microsoft is capable of viewing what the Kinect is sensing.
I think it's perfectly acceptable for people, and Germany, to ask questions about how exactly it functions.
I didn't say asking questions about it was paranoia.
Poor germans... they're not even people anymore. ^^
I'm pretty sure Germany is a country. Germans are people. ;)
The Kinect camera is pretty easy to block even with a basic post-it note or something custom designed. If it just needs the mic to listen for the on command while it's sleeping, that shouldn't cause any operational issues. I'm still not sure I like that it is listenting to the environment though. Knowing that Microsoft is tryign to compete with Google for advertising, knowing that they purchased an internet marketing company, knowing they have cloud processing for voice recognition, knowing the ONE will have both a stripped down version of WIndows 8 and forces you to use Internet Explorer for browsing all that i think adds up to some cause for concern. Initially if the privacy concerns are on everyones mind, i'm sure Microsoft will tighten up on security. But over time after everyone's calmed down, who knows what an update here a patch there and a ToS ammendment may open the doors to when we're not paying attention.
Unless the rumor is true that the console will refuse to work unless the camera sees somebody in the room. And it has infrared sensors so you can't just point it at a picture or statue.
Disturbing, if true:
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
Not really disturbing. It is already known that Kinect 2 datamines your livingroom. It fits in their system-wide DRM vision. It's easy to have a game phone home to see if a user owns the lisence to play that game. With movies, the lisence to watch it is moot, the amount of people who are watching is much more important.
Hasn't the Xbox 360 captured the lion's share of market over Playstation? It simply looks to me like Microsoft feels they have a commanding presence in the game market and are now looking to expand on it into the more lucrative and vastly larger home entertainment market in general. It also looks like they consider the gaming industry as part of that "home entertainment" market.
Hang on boys (and the three or so girls out there
), if gaming ain't mainstream now, it wll be.
Honestly I see little difference. The 360 already has the ESPN app, HBO Go, Hulu, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter. Adding a passthrough for a cable box isn't actually too huge a thing. It'll only work in certain cases anyway.
A hard drive with a Universal Serial Bus connection will work as external storage.
There is no official word to suggest Kinect is "always watching"
What is the benifit to choosing to play a single player game offline if your Internet is fully functional at that time?
They've stated they're going to allow resale and trading of games, we're just waiting for details.
People use the Xbox 360 for entertainment beyond games already quite a bit. Now, Xbox One will have considerably more exclusive and total games in its first year than Xbox 360, while still having entertainment options.
It's stupidly easy to check if something is sending network traffic using a router. People would be able to verify the Xbox One cannot send network traffic while in standby mode waiting for the words "Xbox On". There is no point in Microsoft trying to hide or cover up the grand conspiracy for the illuminati or whatever, because millions of people with a router could just check from their own homes to see what was going on.