Well I'm all for shaking things up around here and will help whatever why I can. I'm sick of replying to people in the New Members thread only for them never to appear again.
More follow up (and to get this all back on track).
I've recently had a friend of mine take a look at the site from a purely outside perspective. Sometimes its hard for me (and even you guys) to really see what this site is like. He does a lot of his work on user flows, UI, design, and other stuff at the place where I work. He does play games, but hasn't really touched them in a few years and is looking at it purely from a concept. Here is what he had to say and I think this type of feedback is a good talking point for this thread.
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Sounds to me like you're kind of in between two very different directions. Based on getting a better perspective on you and your users, I can see that currently the site kind of misses the point you all want it to hit.
2old2play, right now, and what the redesign originally framed, is a gaming journalism site. I know the community is way more important to everyone and there's a focus towards a certain group, but in functionality, the site is ign.
Sure, we can redesign what it is right now, do it better, make it sexy, appealing, and give the community more spotlight, but based on what you say and stalking for forums for like 10 minutes, I would say it's time to reinvent 2old2play to accomplish the things you guys actually care about.
So what I propose is this. We throw out the journalism site model, it's all about the community, connecting with people, and playing games, we turn this into a social site.
The landing page (homepage for new/logged out visitors) is no longer the typical editorial website. It's a service/product style landing page that communicates what 2old2play is all about in a super appealing way, using actual user content to boot. That's just to drive signups, for the user, not the visitor, it's really just a login portal that they won't see if they stay signed in.
The dashboard (homepage for logged in users) is now displays curated content based on people they've followed/friended, groups they've entered, games they've added to their lists, staff submitted official content, etc. etc. Most importantly, it's an interface that's all about interacting, the mood is no longer reading articles but being a part of the larger community.
User blogs are the only real journalism the site needs, your staff could just be a special usertype whose blogs have more options and spotlight, who can submit official content, for when you guys wanna do reviews and whatnot.
Hmmm, but Doodirock, you're really into vidcasting and and stuff too. Can both worlds work well together? As a member, I shouldn't be in a reality where I don't have a clue what the site journalists/reviewers are doing but if I didn't move around the little I do, I would only know two forums, Halo and Off Topic. That's probably a sad state of affairs.
That's predominantly where I'm at, Forza (all of it) and Off Topic.
I did just grab the new Halo 3 (hehe, I know but it was free!) and I'm not shy about jumping into a Halo forum, if there is one. (Kitten might help me here)
I do read the occasional write-up's and look at the blogs though as well.
That's predominantly where I'm at, Forza (all of it) and Off Topic.
I did just grab the new Halo 3 (hehe, I know but it was free!) and I'm not shy about jumping into a Halo forum, if there is one. (Kitten might help me here)
I do read the occasional write-up's and look at the blogs though as well.
I think that's the idea here too deep. We're a bit against ourselves on the homepage. Its great for news, but I'm not sure that serves new members well. It also doesn't seem like a great place for the community either. Really the video show plays nicely into the community so I dont see that as being at odds. In fact we strive to have more integration with the show in general. I think the problem is that we are NOT a news site. We comment on the news of the day and talk about it from our perspective. The layout should really emphasis this.
I also agree iwth your friend. This site should be more about community and less about journalism. There are plenty of game information sites, but very few sites dedicated to the “The Community for Older Gamers”. Your investment should be more on that differentiator and less on podcasts, vidcasts, professional reviews, etc. IMHO
As far as your “to-do” list from your earlier post, I would say 3,5,6 are most important to me.
3 – Make the forums Tapatalk (or similar) compatable or a mobile version of the site.
5 – I think the profile section could be fleshed out a bit more so we know who we are gaming with. I’ve found that over time, playing with people I like is more important to me than playing a specific game with gamers I kinda like. But if I need a 4th for ME3, I would rather have a 2o2p member than a random. Bear in mind this does not have to be demographic info, but ask questions that tell us what kind of gamer we are. E.g. “Do you like to win at all costs, or generally have a good time?” Also an option for “accepting new friends” might help the new member find folks that are open to meeting new people. Be careful though, you do need some sort of verification to keep the spammers out.
6 – Yes, events! It would be nice to have events that bring not just our gaming circle together but the site as a whole. I realize not all games are conducive to this but for those that are, this is a no brainer. The one you had a while back that pitted the Halo folks vs. the Forza folks was cool. Not that I played but I thought it was a fun idea. Maybe even a game night with the 2o2p writing staff?
Other random comments:
Maybe a user feedback mechanism might help to cut down on the negative comments (similar to the Amazon comment section on reviews “Users don’t think this post adds to the discussion”). If you view this as a problem of course.
Expect more of the moderators; they are your ambassadors of the site. By leveraging them in a consistent and uniform way, it should strengthen your site and lessen your time commitment. Whenever you open a new subforum or division, you should have a template with the same stickied topics (see Borderlands division ) and general format.
Have a code of conduct for members. Nothing overbearing or lengthy, but if people know what type of site you are aiming for, then it gives members a chance to respect that. Not that they always will, but at least you can reference that if you have to delete an account for abuse of another member.
We are depending on you getting this right, this site to me, and many others is an invaluable part of the gaming experience. Otherwise, we are left to fend for ourselves against the Timmies of the world! If you don’t succeed, the world may just end. No pressure or anything.
I also agree iwth your friend. This site should be more about community and less about journalism. There are plenty of game information sites, but very few sites dedicated to the “The Community for Older Gamers”. Your investment should be more on that differentiator and less on podcasts, vidcasts, professional reviews, etc. IMHO
As far as your “to-do” list from your earlier post, I would say 3,5,6 are most important to me.
3 – Make the forums Tapatalk (or similar) compatable or a mobile version of the site.
5 – I think the profile section could be fleshed out a bit more so we know who we are gaming with. I’ve found that over time, playing with people I like is more important to me than playing a specific game with gamers I kinda like. But if I need a 4th for ME3, I would rather have a 2o2p member than a random. Bear in mind this does not have to be demographic info, but ask questions that tell us what kind of gamer we are. E.g. “Do you like to win at all costs, or generally have a good time?” Also an option for “accepting new friends” might help the new member find folks that are open to meeting new people. Be careful though, you do need some sort of verification to keep the spammers out.
6 – Yes, events! It would be nice to have events that bring not just our gaming circle together but the site as a whole. I realize not all games are conducive to this but for those that are, this is a no brainer. The one you had a while back that pitted the Halo folks vs. the Forza folks was cool. Not that I played but I thought it was a fun idea. Maybe even a game night with the 2o2p writing staff?
Other random comments:
Maybe a user feedback mechanism might help to cut down on the negative comments (similar to the Amazon comment section on reviews “Users don’t think this post adds to the discussion”). If you view this as a problem of course.
Expect more of the moderators; they are your ambassadors of the site. By leveraging them in a consistent and uniform way, it should strengthen your site and lessen your time commitment. Whenever you open a new subforum or division, you should have a template with the same stickied topics (see Borderlands division ) and general format.
Have a code of conduct for members. Nothing overbearing or lengthy, but if people know what type of site you are aiming for, then it gives members a chance to respect that. Not that they always will, but at least you can reference that if you have to delete an account for abuse of another member.
We are depending on you getting this right, this site to me, and many others is an invaluable part of the gaming experience. Otherwise, we are left to fend for ourselves against the Timmies of the world! If you don’t succeed, the world may just end. No pressure or anything.
Oh, and thanks for the doodle characters!
Really great feed back Slater. I want everyone to keep in mind that the list I made was not in any order of importance. Its all important really. No one item takes precedence over another,
Dayum Doodi, your friend is pretty smart, and I agree with Him. What the hell is he doing being friends with you?? JK. Community based is the way to go and you dont have to leave the vid casts behind, they are intended I believe for the community. Correct me if Im wrong? If anything, more interaction might make it more fun for the vidcasters and community. Shoutouts, "OMG look what oldschool did/said" etc.....
Dayum Doodi, your friend is pretty smart, and I agree with Him. What the hell is he doing being friends with you?? JK. Community based is the way to go and you don't have to leave the vid casts behind, they are intended I believe for the community. Correct me if Im wrong? If anything, more interaction might make it more fun for the vidcasters and community. Shoutouts, "OMG look what oldschool did/said" etc.....
I wasn't even in your county that night!
No pix, it didn't happen!
This has always been a community place for me. That doesn't preclude me getting a ton of useful info here, but it's NOT the main reason why I hang here. I DO like that if I need info, I can just ask and SOMEONE knows or can send me where I can find it!
I also agree with Doodi's friend, even though we have some news articles, they are a long way from "hard-hitting" game journalism and written for our target audience: the 2O2P Community. Although I am a member of the writing staff, I feel that our community should come first and that any content generated by the vidcasters and writers should be there to support the community, not the other way around. We're in no danger of winning a Pulitzer. Still Got Game claims to be an award-winning show, but I'm fairly certain that was for punctuality, not content.
I also agree with Doodi's friend, even though we have some news articles, they are a long way from "hard-hitting" game journalism and written for our target audience: the 2O2P Community. Although I am a member of the writing staff, I feel that our community should come first and that any content generated by the vidcasters and writers should be there to support the community, not the other way around. We're in no danger of winning a Pulitzer. Still Got Game claims to be an award-winning show, but I'm fairly certain that was for punctuality, not content.
With that being said, I think good content that comes regularly from the community is a worthwhile goal.
I also agree with Doodi's friend, even though we have some news articles, they are a long way from "hard-hitting" game journalism and written for our target audience: the 2O2P Community. Although I am a member of the writing staff, I feel that our community should come first and that any content generated by the vidcasters and writers should be there to support the community, not the other way around. We're in no danger of winning a Pulitzer. Still Got Game claims to be an award-winning show, but I'm fairly certain that was for punctuality, not content.
With that being said, I think good content that comes regularly from the community is a worthwhile goal.
Dixon, I have a hard time determining what side of the fence you're actually on. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and proceed under the assumption that we are in agreement...feel free to contradict if I'm wrong. I found 2old2play while looking for a racing clan for Forza 3. I had completed the single player stuff and was starting to branch out into multiplayer. I had participated in a fair amount of online racing in Midnight Club LA, but that experience was centered around a group of friends that I had met in public lobbies and we pretty much kept to ourselves, but I was alone in the Forza lobbies, consequently enduring a very negative experience with every villainous stereotype that the online community had to offer. I was looking for a way to transfer my positive experience with Midnight Club to Forza, and that's exactly what I found here at 2o2p with the Forza guys. I had been a member here for over a year before I actually ever ventured out of the Forza forums and started seeing what was going on with the rest of the site only to discover that the same positive experience I was having in my corner of the site was happening everywhere.
That positive experience is our strongest attraction, it's what differentiates 2old2play from every other gaming site out there. Folks don't come here looking for witty podcasts, awesome gameplay videos, or profanity-laced game reviews...although we have those things here, they are a product of the community, not a commodity. The Still Got Game guys are good at what they do because they are experienced, knowledgeable, and charismatic. The Thick n Thin guys are tech-savvy and fun to watch, and Hitman's gameplay vids are so impressive that I use them in my reviews. I may have poked a bit of fun at the guys with the punctuality thing, but the show really is quite good. These things, however, are not the foundation of the site, the community is the foundation and the other stuff is a combination of talent and the compulsion to give back to the community, which we all do in some form or another. Hosting races, sponsoring a thread, clan participation, playing in a tournament, blogs, editing for our writers, forum moderation, providing feedback, and even watching a vidcast are all forms of participation. I don't have access to data to tell me what traffic is like, and I'm not an old timer so I don't know what it used to be like, but what I see is a vital gaming site with a shitload of participation in all possible directions and the understandable desire for new folks to want to take part in that.
So if the community is the attractive part of the site, then I naturally support the direction that Doodi is considering for the next version. Put the community front and center and make integration and acceptance of noobies as organic as possible. Let's give the newcomer the instant gratification that they are hoping for in a format that is similar to what they're already used to. Every player we lose to hierarchy and confusion is the same as turning them away. I think we can stay true to the community and make it easier for the new guys at the same time. Everyone deserves friends to play with...even grouchy old fuckers like us.
I also agree with Doodi's friend, even though we have some news articles, they are a long way from "hard-hitting" game journalism and written for our target audience: the 2O2P Community. Although I am a member of the writing staff, I feel that our community should come first and that any content generated by the vidcasters and writers should be there to support the community, not the other way around. We're in no danger of winning a Pulitzer. Still Got Game claims to be an award-winning show, but I'm fairly certain that was for punctuality, not content.
With that being said, I think good content that comes regularly from the community is a worthwhile goal.
Dixon, I have a hard time determining what side of the fence you're actually on. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and proceed under the assumption that we are in agreement...feel free to contradict if I'm wrong. I found 2old2play while looking for a racing clan for Forza 3. I had completed the single player stuff and was starting to branch out into multiplayer. I had participated in a fair amount of online racing in Midnight Club LA, but that experience was centered around a group of friends that I had met in public lobbies and we pretty much kept to ourselves, but I was alone in the Forza lobbies, consequently enduring a very negative experience with every villainous stereotype that the online community had to offer. I was looking for a way to transfer my positive experience with Midnight Club to Forza, and that's exactly what I found here at 2o2p with the Forza guys. I had been a member here for over a year before I actually ever ventured out of the Forza forums and started seeing what was going on with the rest of the site only to discover that the same positive experience I was having in my corner of the site was happening everywhere.
That positive experience is our strongest attraction, it's what differentiates 2old2play from every other gaming site out there. Folks don't come here looking for witty podcasts, awesome gameplay videos, or profanity-laced game reviews...although we have those things here, they are a product of the community, not a commodity. The Still Got Game guys are good at what they do because they are experienced, knowledgeable, and charismatic. The Thick n Thin guys are tech-savvy and fun to watch, and Hitman's gameplay vids are so impressive that I use them in my reviews. I may have poked a bit of fun at the guys with the punctuality thing, but the show really is quite good. These things, however, are not the foundation of the site, the community is the foundation and the other stuff is a combination of talent and the compulsion to give back to the community, which we all do in some form or another. Hosting races, sponsoring a thread, clan participation, playing in a tournament, blogs, editing for our writers, forum moderation, providing feedback, and even watching a vidcast are all forms of participation. I don't have access to data to tell me what traffic is like, and I'm not an old timer so I don't know what it used to be like, but what I see is a vital gaming site with a shitload of participation in all possible directions and the understandable desire for new folks to want to take part in that.
So if the community is the attractive part of the site, then I naturally support the direction that Doodi is considering for the next version. Put the community front and center and make integration and acceptance of noobies as organic as possible. Let's give the newcomer the instant gratification that they are hoping for in a format that is similar to what they're already used to. Every player we lose to hierarchy and confusion is the same as turning them away. I think we can stay true to the community and make it easier for the new guys at the same time. Everyone deserves friends to play with...even grouchy old fuckers like us.
Nope. We're on the same side of the fence, amigo.
I found this place after bumping around another online community that is now very defunct. I joined shortly after I turned 25 or so as well, and managed to get in with the Halo goodness while it was still going on (and good).
Great post Jones. The site should provide the infrastructure to allow like minded people to meet, organise and interact in a flexible way. The content then flows from the community. Everyone should be allowed to contribute and the content then becomes a byproduct of having an active and engaged community.
From what I read of the quote you posted from your friend, he is suggesting the old site. Basically. A new version but the old site. "We" complained about this new version from day one and participation, from what we in 2old2pwn saw, fell like a rock.
Today is the first time I have logged in here in I don't know when and I did so because of this thread. I am thankful to Doodi and Jay for creating the site in the first place since it was the vehicle which led me to the wonderful people in 2old2pwn. Without this site that probably would not have happened. But, and you knew there was going to be one, since the launch of 2old2play in its current form things have gone downhill which is too bad. We made several attempts to voice our concerns and even made attempts to assist in making the site more functional but it just took too long. It was just easier to go to G+.
Good luck with whatever it is you do with the site. I wish you well but I don't feel bad for you. 2old2pwn was the most active clan on this site for a long time and we never wanted to leave but we had no choice since we had no control over our home. The term "irreparable damage" is appropriate here. We got blamed for staying in our hole and contributing to the down slide of the site but that didn't hurt the site in the previous version. The new site hurt the new site. I understand this is a voluntary project for you but the new site was talked about forever and since if was worked on in spare time it never recieved the attention it needed to complete and test. But time drug on and it was forced on the masses while not ready for prime time.
From what I read of the quote you posted from your friend, he is suggesting the old site. Basically. A new version but the old site. "We" complained about this new version from day one and participation, from what we in 2old2pwn saw, fell like a rock.
Today is the first time I have logged in here in I don't know when and I did so because of this thread. I am thankful to Doodi and Jay for creating the site in the first place since it was the vehicle which led me to the wonderful people in 2old2pwn. Without this site that probably would not have happened. But, and you knew there was going to be one, since the launch of 2old2play in its current form things have gone downhill which is too bad. We made several attempts to voice our concerns and even made attempts to assist in making the site more functional but it just took too long. It was just easier to go to G+.
Good luck with whatever it is you do with the site. I wish you well but I don't feel bad for you. 2old2pwn was the most active clan on this site for a long time and we never wanted to leave but we had no choice since we had no control over our home. The term "irreparable damage" is appropriate here. We got blamed for staying in our hole and contributing to the down slide of the site but that didn't hurt the site in the previous version. The new site hurt the new site. I understand this is a voluntary project for you but the new site was talked about forever and since if was worked on in spare time it never recieved the attention it needed to complete and test. But time drug on and it was forced on the masses while not ready for prime time.
Today is the first time I have logged in here in I don't know when and I did so because of this thread. I am thankful to Doodi and Jay for creating the site in the first place
What was this thread about again?
A question about a rumor about the site possibly changing...
And then Doodi posted his intended direction before too many crazies went postal.
(Good move, taking a page from Microsoft's great XBox rollout on how NOT to do it!)
Oh yeah.
Well I'm all for shaking things up around here and will help whatever why I can. I'm sick of replying to people in the New Members thread only for them never to appear again.
More follow up (and to get this all back on track).
I've recently had a friend of mine take a look at the site from a purely outside perspective. Sometimes its hard for me (and even you guys) to really see what this site is like. He does a lot of his work on user flows, UI, design, and other stuff at the place where I work. He does play games, but hasn't really touched them in a few years and is looking at it purely from a concept. Here is what he had to say and I think this type of feedback is a good talking point for this thread.
Hmmm, but Doodirock, you're really into vidcasting and and stuff too. Can both worlds work well together? As a member, I shouldn't be in a reality where I don't have a clue what the site journalists/reviewers are doing but if I didn't move around the little I do, I would only know two forums, Halo and Off Topic. That's probably a sad state of affairs.
That's predominantly where I'm at, Forza (all of it) and Off Topic.
I did just grab the new Halo 3 (hehe, I know but it was free!) and I'm not shy about jumping into a Halo forum, if there is one. (Kitten might help me here)
I do read the occasional write-up's and look at the blogs though as well.
;) http://www.2old2play.com/forums/divisions/halo-series
I think that's the idea here too deep. We're a bit against ourselves on the homepage. Its great for news, but I'm not sure that serves new members well. It also doesn't seem like a great place for the community either. Really the video show plays nicely into the community so I dont see that as being at odds. In fact we strive to have more integration with the show in general. I think the problem is that we are NOT a news site. We comment on the news of the day and talk about it from our perspective. The layout should really emphasis this.
I agree with your friend. Better to do one or two things really well than try and do 10 things mediocre.
I agree with your friend as well.
Same here. I think your friend hit the nail on the head regarding where the focus should be.
I also agree iwth your friend. This site should be more about community and less about journalism. There are plenty of game information sites, but very few sites dedicated to the “The Community for Older Gamers”. Your investment should be more on that differentiator and less on podcasts, vidcasts, professional reviews, etc. IMHO
As far as your “to-do” list from your earlier post, I would say 3,5,6 are most important to me.
3 – Make the forums Tapatalk (or similar) compatable or a mobile version of the site.
5 – I think the profile section could be fleshed out a bit more so we know who we are gaming with. I’ve found that over time, playing with people I like is more important to me than playing a specific game with gamers I kinda like. But if I need a 4th for ME3, I would rather have a 2o2p member than a random. Bear in mind this does not have to be demographic info, but ask questions that tell us what kind of gamer we are. E.g. “Do you like to win at all costs, or generally have a good time?” Also an option for “accepting new friends” might help the new member find folks that are open to meeting new people. Be careful though, you do need some sort of verification to keep the spammers out.
6 – Yes, events! It would be nice to have events that bring not just our gaming circle together but the site as a whole. I realize not all games are conducive to this but for those that are, this is a no brainer. The one you had a while back that pitted the Halo folks vs. the Forza folks was cool. Not that I played but I thought it was a fun idea. Maybe even a game night with the 2o2p writing staff?
Other random comments:
Maybe a user feedback mechanism might help to cut down on the negative comments (similar to the Amazon comment section on reviews “Users don’t think this post adds to the discussion”). If you view this as a problem of course.
Expect more of the moderators; they are your ambassadors of the site. By leveraging them in a consistent and uniform way, it should strengthen your site and lessen your time commitment. Whenever you open a new subforum or division, you should have a template with the same stickied topics (see Borderlands division
) and general format.
Have a code of conduct for members. Nothing overbearing or lengthy, but if people know what type of site you are aiming for, then it gives members a chance to respect that. Not that they always will, but at least you can reference that if you have to delete an account for abuse of another member.
We are depending on you getting this right, this site to me, and many others is an invaluable part of the gaming experience. Otherwise, we are left to fend for ourselves against the Timmies of the world! If you don’t succeed, the world may just end. No pressure or anything.
Oh, and thanks for the doodle characters!
Really great feed back Slater. I want everyone to keep in mind that the list I made was not in any order of importance. Its all important really. No one item takes precedence over another,
I'm fine with any changes that will make Dixon silently seethe with rage and unexplored sexuality issues.
Can we get pie and ie cream with the new site changes?
Dayum Doodi, your friend is pretty smart, and I agree with Him. What the hell is he doing being friends with you?? JK. Community based is the way to go and you dont have to leave the vid casts behind, they are intended I believe for the community. Correct me if Im wrong? If anything, more interaction might make it more fun for the vidcasters and community. Shoutouts, "OMG look what oldschool did/said" etc.....
I wasn't even in your county that night!
No pix, it didn't happen!
This has always been a community place for me. That doesn't preclude me getting a ton of useful info here, but it's NOT the main reason why I hang here. I DO like that if I need info, I can just ask and SOMEONE knows or can send me where I can find it!
Kind of boring but I'm in agreement with everyone else :(
Being a community site doesnt preclude anyone who wants to do podcasts, vidcasts, reviews etc. Community content for the community.
I also agree with Doodi's friend, even though we have some news articles, they are a long way from "hard-hitting" game journalism and written for our target audience: the 2O2P Community. Although I am a member of the writing staff, I feel that our community should come first and that any content generated by the vidcasters and writers should be there to support the community, not the other way around. We're in no danger of winning a Pulitzer. Still Got Game claims to be an award-winning show, but I'm fairly certain that was for punctuality, not content.
With that being said, I think good content that comes regularly from the community is a worthwhile goal.
That positive experience is our strongest attraction, it's what differentiates 2old2play from every other gaming site out there. Folks don't come here looking for witty podcasts, awesome gameplay videos, or profanity-laced game reviews...although we have those things here, they are a product of the community, not a commodity. The Still Got Game guys are good at what they do because they are experienced, knowledgeable, and charismatic. The Thick n Thin guys are tech-savvy and fun to watch, and Hitman's gameplay vids are so impressive that I use them in my reviews. I may have poked a bit of fun at the guys with the punctuality thing, but the show really is quite good. These things, however, are not the foundation of the site, the community is the foundation and the other stuff is a combination of talent and the compulsion to give back to the community, which we all do in some form or another. Hosting races, sponsoring a thread, clan participation, playing in a tournament, blogs, editing for our writers, forum moderation, providing feedback, and even watching a vidcast are all forms of participation. I don't have access to data to tell me what traffic is like, and I'm not an old timer so I don't know what it used to be like, but what I see is a vital gaming site with a shitload of participation in all possible directions and the understandable desire for new folks to want to take part in that.
So if the community is the attractive part of the site, then I naturally support the direction that Doodi is considering for the next version. Put the community front and center and make integration and acceptance of noobies as organic as possible. Let's give the newcomer the instant gratification that they are hoping for in a format that is similar to what they're already used to. Every player we lose to hierarchy and confusion is the same as turning them away. I think we can stay true to the community and make it easier for the new guys at the same time. Everyone deserves friends to play with...even grouchy old fuckers like us.
Nope. We're on the same side of the fence, amigo.
I found this place after bumping around another online community that is now very defunct. I joined shortly after I turned 25 or so as well, and managed to get in with the Halo goodness while it was still going on (and good).
We don't even have post counts now anyway, lol. It's "points"
Great post Jones. The site should provide the infrastructure to allow like minded people to meet, organise and interact in a flexible way. The content then flows from the community. Everyone should be allowed to contribute and the content then becomes a byproduct of having an active and engaged community.
Fuck you Doodi, you're not the boss of me.
From what I read of the quote you posted from your friend, he is suggesting the old site. Basically. A new version but the old site. "We" complained about this new version from day one and participation, from what we in 2old2pwn saw, fell like a rock.
Today is the first time I have logged in here in I don't know when and I did so because of this thread. I am thankful to Doodi and Jay for creating the site in the first place since it was the vehicle which led me to the wonderful people in 2old2pwn. Without this site that probably would not have happened. But, and you knew there was going to be one, since the launch of 2old2play in its current form things have gone downhill which is too bad. We made several attempts to voice our concerns and even made attempts to assist in making the site more functional but it just took too long. It was just easier to go to G+.
Good luck with whatever it is you do with the site. I wish you well but I don't feel bad for you. 2old2pwn was the most active clan on this site for a long time and we never wanted to leave but we had no choice since we had no control over our home. The term "irreparable damage" is appropriate here. We got blamed for staying in our hole and contributing to the down slide of the site but that didn't hurt the site in the previous version. The new site hurt the new site. I understand this is a voluntary project for you but the new site was talked about forever and since if was worked on in spare time it never recieved the attention it needed to complete and test. But time drug on and it was forced on the masses while not ready for prime time.
Fatal error.
Good luck.
Bye
Wow. Good riddance. I've never even heard of that guy.
What is being suggested is NOT the old site.