It is Great to see how some of us are turning on each other instead of trying to find a common denominator between all of us as some are doing. There seems to be a few arguing that this is the way it is and F**K the rest of you. The problem so far to me is Forza. I don't need to rehash my feelings. Since Forza decided to take a different path some of us have too. Until we figure it out lets calm down and explore all options. This is a Fantastic Group of Guys here with good intentions. Let's see how things go!
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
My remark was in response to Church...oh, I guess you missed the part of Church's post where he said that the Forza guys will have to find a new home.I guess it's easier to assume that Jones is being a dick for no reason rather than actually read what was written. My point is that you can't boot the Forza guys out of 2old4forza because some of the guys are playing on a Sony console. Feel free to misinterpret that as well.
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
My remark was in response to Church...oh, I guess you missed the part of Church's post where he said that the Forza guys will have to find a new home.I guess it's easier to assume that Jones is being a dick for no reason rather than actually read what was written. My point is that you can't boot the Forza guys out of 2old4forza because some of the guys are playing on a Sony console. Feel free to misinterpret that as well.
What boot? If you play Forza you are 2Old4 Forza. If you play GT6 you are 2Old4GT. The only thing that will change is the name above the door here on this site. Then the respective clubs fall under a generic name.
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
My remark was in response to Church...oh, I guess you missed the part of Church's post where he said that the Forza guys will have to find a new home.I guess it's easier to assume that Jones is being a dick for no reason rather than actually read what was written. My point is that you can't boot the Forza guys out of 2old4forza because some of the guys are playing on a Sony console. Feel free to misinterpret that as well.
What boot? If you play Forza you are 2Old4 Forza. If you play GT6 you are 2Old4GT. The only thing that will change is the name above the door here on this site. Then the respective clubs fall under a generic name.
"After talking to Max last night if this trend continues there won't be any point in hosting events. When that happens the people who have Forza 5 and only 4 will find a new home then we basically become 2Old4GT." Did I misinterpret that? Because it looks a lot like the Forza guys will find a new home and we will become 2old4GT. I do appreciate the elaboration and approve of a generic forum with labeled subdivisions. As for Kurupt's lame attempt to reprimand me, just remember who sabotaged the top position in the D2NR club by abandoning the club without stepping down, then explain to me why your barb about unity should have any credibility. Thank you.
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
My remark was in response to Church...oh, I guess you missed the part of Church's post where he said that the Forza guys will have to find a new home.I guess it's easier to assume that Jones is being a dick for no reason rather than actually read what was written. My point is that you can't boot the Forza guys out of 2old4forza because some of the guys are playing on a Sony console. Feel free to misinterpret that as well.
What boot? If you play Forza you are 2Old4 Forza. If you play GT6 you are 2Old4GT. The only thing that will change is the name above the door here on this site. Then the respective clubs fall under a generic name.
"After talking to Max last night if this trend continues there won't be any point in hosting events. When that happens the people who have Forza 5 and only 4 will find a new home then we basically become 2Old4GT." Did I misinterpret that? Because it looks a lot like the Forza guys will find a new home and we will become 2old4GT. I do appreciate the elaboration and approve of a generic forum with labeled subdivisions. As for Kurupt's lame attempt to reprimand me, just remember who sabotaged the top position in the D2NR club by abandoning the club without stepping down, then explain to me why your barb about unity should have any credibility. Thank you.
Kind of as I ment people will go to other places on there own back not people who play Forza get out etc
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
Tbh if we did move I would start from scratch and build a site. Look at the success GBR has had. If we had a new place we could do what we want have as much shit as we wanted etc etc. I could have done this when GT6 was announced here and I had an incline that most people would buy gt6 and not FM5 about 3 months ago.
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
Tbh if we did move I would start from scratch and build a site. Look at the success GBR has had. If we had a new place we could do what we want have as much shit as we wanted etc etc. I could have done this when GT6 was announced here and I had an incline that most people would buy gt6 and not FM5 about 3 months ago.
This site is shit on my phone. Anyway the reason why I didn't build a new site etc is because I love the community here and I though it would be a shame to move from that. So why not add a game to our club and play both. Or one is up to you the drivers.
Like over time they pick up and move sticks leaving this place with nothing but gt shit. That's why I said we need to do something with Forza so this doesn't happen.
Well, I'm still on Forza 4 BUT I've been playing with my new computer of late. I still intend to race Forza4, BUT I'm limited on what series I can and can't run as I can't run too many without things getting a tad grumpy around here.
That said, I'm probably able to run two series a week regularly at most, random chaos as I can inbetween.
I CAN see where Jones could have read what he did as he did AND see what Church meant at the same time. The printed word severely limits ones ability to interpret intent an estimated 75-85% I think I've read somewhere?
Simmahdownnah.
Adding more options to any gaming group tends to have a splintering effect, seen it years ago with Starcraft, again with CounterStrike, and seemingly again here and now.
The only thing of common ground is this forum.
The GT group has taken off from what I've seen on the outside. I don't intend to buy one, so I'm stuck in 4 waiting until I can get a XBone. Yay me.
Seems to be a bit of lingering testiness combined with aggitation over current state of the gaming/systems etc.
I've scanned this thread, I think its the first arguments I've read... But I'm on full support of an approach that is more about racing in general, with each game havering a separate forum so it's more organized and specific to where ever we all migrate back and forth.
lets face it, we are sim racers and we are a very tiny core audience with arguably more options than most core audiences. Its sad what happened to Forza, if for no other reason I still have no desire to buy it...
Further I think merging all 2old driving/racing groups together; the main forum, 2old2xxx could simply be like a news section for all things sim racing while sub forums are for each game. Sure, some might have to adjust but it could increase our family size, open up more opportunities for meeting others, and it's much easier to recruit... Lord (no pun) knows how territorial sim gamers are so as long as each has a core home, run from a hub, it should all work well together.
Besides, I might need a single place that taps our entire geoups as I may have some special surprises for you all soon as I've left my job at a leading game publisher to pursue an impossible dream; to merge my 20 years of game development and 30 years of RL racing together and it's been a very difficult 6 months. Short of building a sim, I might need you guys for some R&D, I already have plenty of access to pro drivers, I need more sim drivers, and they need to be mature... Or not if everything falls flat.
There is a single place, 2O2P, here is where we all are. You want folk for R&D just post, here or the PC racing division, word will go out, we are all on the same website. And the PC end has it's fair share of beta testers...In fact there is an argument to say that is about all we do these days test unfinished sims LOL
There was the same hullabaloo when we went from V2 to V3 People up in arms all over, then there was the opening up of the forum, oh that caused a small storm too.
Now it's V3 to V4, a new game, new consoles all hitting at once...Heh that was always going to cause the perfect storm.
Yeah glad it's all sorted
The best thing we all can do though is promote the club. Tell everyone about it. Let's get new members on all three systems and have fun. I also read that since Forza 5 had come out the number of people playing 4 has increased! There are drivers out there wanting a home. Let's find them
I do not buy the PC v. console distinction. It is one without any meaning. And I do not just say that because I sim race on PC and consoles. The common thread among all of us is sim racing, although I certainly recognize that our foundation was built on Forza. But the sim racing world has expanded over the last several years and most of us have embraced that change by trying out new sims. It simply is not practical anymore to focus only on Forza. Rather, our interests have evolved such that our club is more appropriately called 2Old2Race, with us dividing our forums by series, Forza, GT, Project CARs, etc. Lets keep all of the threads and posts, but just include all sim racing. That answers all of the concerns that have been expressed.
Someone mentioned GBR's success. Yes, GBR has been very successful, in part because the stewards over there have embraced the new sims, while still focusing primarily on rFactor 1. We have an entire sub-forum over there that focuses on iRacing and it is flourishing. We also have a good start for rFactor 2, which of course will eventually become the primary sim played over there. I see the same kind of opportunity for us. Lets embrace, not fight change.
I see where your coming from, but there was a reason we set up the PC Racing side of things separately, and a reason GBR are not on here. In a perfect world we would be in one place, unfortunately a perfect world it is not. 2O2R also embrace any and all PC racing titles. Having our own home is not a bad thing, it's just a thing. We, 2O2R that is, share the same site, so that separation is not really a separation is it?
2O4R Console racing forum 2O2R PC racing forum
Side by side on the same site. Nothing stopping anyone dropping by to chew the fat with friends, just as I am here.
Ah I jumped Churches post and that kinda makes it a mute point :)
This site will be changing soon and there is going to be a dedicated pc area as there isn't one now. Almost all the club's on this site are going to have to change or get out (not us). Doodi and other 2Old2play mods will be making a big push on all pc fronts that's why when the change his I don't want our club to be mixed up as a console/pc area as this club will be under the console section.
Don't forget 2Old2play is a massive site. Since v3 got released 2 years ago there has been over 300,000 posts and over 10,000 topics made. 2Old4Forza and 2Old2Race combined account for 10% of this site's activities. Adding the other open areas of the site 60% of this site's activity is locked away and Unseeable unless you are allowed in.
This is going to change on V4 as there will be zero locked clubs and EVERYTHING is going to be open. We are going to get put into sections for what people want but the main headings I understand will be PC or Console. Most of this has zero effect on us as we are already open and a lot of people are happy what they play. But to keep in line with the site we all use for free I want to keep pc racing seperate from console racing. (And achieve everytjing above ;))
Also the fact everything will be open may even increase our numbers as the people in locked clubs possibly don't even know we are here.
Yeah to be honest I thought the opening up of the site was further ahead than it is, 2O4F lead the way I think followed by 2O2R that was open from inception and always planned to be. Something I admit I was against at the start, but soon came around. I hope the others will do the same, because while they hide away behind closed doors they add nothing to the site as a whole.
Also the fact everything will be open may even increase our numbers as the people in locked clubs possibly don't even know we are here.
Yeah to be honest I thought the opening up of the site was further ahead than it is, 2O4F lead the way I think followed by 2O2R that was open from inception and always planned to be. Something I admit I was against at the start, but soon came around. I hope the others will do the same, because while they hide away behind closed doors they add nothing to the site as a whole.
There is 51 Open Forums but only 19 are group forums. The rest are random Off Topic areas 9Hockey, NSFW etc)
There is 67 Locked group forums. The only person that can view these are though that are approved by the group mods.
I'll admit I miss read that but I still don't understand why we need to segregate one another into our own little corners....were all playing racing games!
Your comments about abandoment and not stepping down are why I never needed to assume you were a dick ;)
2 yrs ago I was able to foresee the direction forza was going which today most are just realizing, leading me to expand my horizon for the love of racing. Apparently you missed the part when I said my ultimate goal was to expand and become a cross platform club. If you go to steam and race2play you'll find D2NR clubs with 20+ members we also flew the 202P.com banner on our cars in hope to bring more members to this form. So there's your unity credit amigo!
Unfortunately 2 kids and having to switch to midnites to save on child are costs limited my gaming time to a race a week with just Gbr and 202R members which made it hard to recruit new members, but please feel free to enlighten me on what you did for the club outside of forza?
as for stepping down....why would I step down from what I built? So others could get there 2 min of fame in the forza community?
were any top tunes released after I left, contest run or calaborations with other clubs or painters made? Not that iam aware of
i built the ship, flew the ship and could sink it when I please
i passed the forza duties to fisho and rocket as they both dabbled in other racing titles and liked my vision for what I was trying to accomplish with the club, not to mention the amount of work they put in to get us recognized in the community. I apologize I wasn't able to foresee the dissappearence of rocket and once I sold my xbox I had no control of re assigning new leaders. Again you have forgotten the conversations I've had with you about me messaging him multiple times asking him to assign you. As for fisho we still talk and has recently built a PC but family life has gotten the best of his gaming time as well and he stepped down because I was the only reason he joined and returned racing with his Aussie friends.
Your comments just helped put a big chunk of that wall up I misinterpreted
as for stepping down....why would I step down from what I built? So others could get there 2 min of fame in the forza community?
i built the ship, flew the ship and could sink it when I please
And sink it you did...well done, amigo. I had written you off over a year ago: that wall is already finished. However, it sounds like you may too egocentric for that to make a difference. It's been a pleasure speaking with you again. ;)
Bah, I've never met a stranger and I don't care who reads what I have to say. But you all know that already...I don't think Doodi did at first...
As for tunes, collaborations and what not, I've done, participated in, and won a few, and most didn't involve D2NR, but whatever. Hell, a lot didn't involve 2O2P, but I DO prefer here to T-10, the median IQ over there is horrible (and that's just the moderators).
Most fun I've had with tunes/paints/series stuff has probably been in the last year or so and almost exclusively here. I started a race team, immediately lost a driver, recruited a dozen more, fielded some racers, worked with a few tuners, hung around a newly formed speed shop, learned to tune myself (mostly, not too bad at it anymore), even suggested a tweak on a AWD tune to a series promoter that worked out contrary to all conventional wisdom, worked with a few paints back n forth, even cross team, and won a series (ROFL had two out of three podium slots in that one when it settled).
And I'm not even a serious driver...I like to paint and poke fun, driving's just a perk.
But while all that happened, I made some really great friends. Shit happens when you're not paying attention.
Egotistical or truthful....see it how you wish, if members were in it for the love of the club and cared to see it grow why didn't anyone step up and continue a relationship with the forza community outside of 204F? Instead you'd rather blame me for sinking the ship.
clearly a lot of people didn't understand the sole purpose of why I created D2NR. Yes it was for protmoting/providing tunes for members. But there was more to it that few saw or realized. As most came to 204F for comfort away from public lobbies I was one of the few black sheeps that enjoyed racing in them, people started messaging me for tunes after races that I gladly supplied unlocked, I started meeting a lot of new tuners, clubs and random racers that fit our +25 criteria and that's when I decided to create D2NR during that time everyone was linked to the 204F and encouraged to sign up as it was home to our club thread and would be forced to see what was going on at the 202P forums. Meanwhile most of the heads here were trying to figure out how to recruit new members and looked at our club as trying to split current members into joining us, but no one realized that all the releases and contests we put on @ forza forums was an attempt to get the 204F community recognized so we could continue to grow today. To date every racing site I've put a D2NR team up on has a link to 202P.com
so about my egocentric ways and barb for unity that has no credibility.......
Been a slice Jones, and thanks for writing me off !
It is Great to see how some of us are turning on each other instead of trying to find a common denominator between all of us as some are doing. There seems to be a few arguing that this is the way it is and F**K the rest of you. The problem so far to me is Forza. I don't need to rehash my feelings. Since Forza decided to take a different path some of us have too. Until we figure it out lets calm down and explore all options. This is a Fantastic Group of Guys here with good intentions. Let's see how things go!
Since jones has laid the ground work for building his wall rather than trying to expand and keep everyone together, I don't see why gt can't be merged with 2o2R it's just another game added to our list as long as the sub forums and all the functions work correctly. Asides from forza I play every race game on the market and to be honest I'd rather have one forum where I can get my daily banter with friends and latest gaming info all in one place which would save me a lot of hassle from bouncing around the web. Think of it as the Race Department of 202P
202R has been struggling for members adding 1 game which is played by many will certainly help and some may become interested in the PC side.
seperate into our own little corners of the web and slowly fade away or join together and grow? after all we all have the same thing common.....racing ! It shouldn't matter what platform the disc gets inserted too
I see what you're saying. Hopefully events in Forza 5 will get some traction soon.
Well, I'm still on Forza 4 BUT I've been playing with my new computer of late. I still intend to race Forza4, BUT I'm limited on what series I can and can't run as I can't run too many without things getting a tad grumpy around here.
That said, I'm probably able to run two series a week regularly at most, random chaos as I can inbetween.
I CAN see where Jones could have read what he did as he did AND see what Church meant at the same time. The printed word severely limits ones ability to interpret intent an estimated 75-85% I think I've read somewhere?
Simmahdownnah.
Adding more options to any gaming group tends to have a splintering effect, seen it years ago with Starcraft, again with CounterStrike, and seemingly again here and now.
The only thing of common ground is this forum.
The GT group has taken off from what I've seen on the outside. I don't intend to buy one, so I'm stuck in 4 waiting until I can get a XBone. Yay me.
Seems to be a bit of lingering testiness combined with aggitation over current state of the gaming/systems etc.
I'd rather bump fenders than heads personally.
I've scanned this thread, I think its the first arguments I've read... But I'm on full support of an approach that is more about racing in general, with each game havering a separate forum so it's more organized and specific to where ever we all migrate back and forth.
lets face it, we are sim racers and we are a very tiny core audience with arguably more options than most core audiences. Its sad what happened to Forza, if for no other reason I still have no desire to buy it...
Further I think merging all 2old driving/racing groups together; the main forum, 2old2xxx could simply be like a news section for all things sim racing while sub forums are for each game. Sure, some might have to adjust but it could increase our family size, open up more opportunities for meeting others, and it's much easier to recruit... Lord (no pun) knows how territorial sim gamers are so as long as each has a core home, run from a hub, it should all work well together.
Besides, I might need a single place that taps our entire geoups as I may have some special surprises for you all soon as I've left my job at a leading game publisher to pursue an impossible dream; to merge my 20 years of game development and 30 years of RL racing together and it's been a very difficult 6 months. Short of building a sim, I might need you guys for some R&D, I already have plenty of access to pro drivers, I need more sim drivers, and they need to be mature... Or not if everything falls flat.
There is a single place, 2O2P, here is where we all are. You want folk for R&D just post, here or the PC racing division, word will go out, we are all on the same website. And the PC end has it's fair share of beta testers...In fact there is an argument to say that is about all we do these days test unfinished sims LOL
There was the same hullabaloo when we went from V2 to V3 People up in arms all over, then there was the opening up of the forum, oh that caused a small storm too.
Now it's V3 to V4, a new game, new consoles all hitting at once...Heh that was always going to cause the perfect storm.
I do not buy the PC v. console distinction. It is one without any meaning. And I do not just say that because I sim race on PC and consoles. The common thread among all of us is sim racing, although I certainly recognize that our foundation was built on Forza. But the sim racing world has expanded over the last several years and most of us have embraced that change by trying out new sims. It simply is not practical anymore to focus only on Forza. Rather, our interests have evolved such that our club is more appropriately called 2Old2Race, with us dividing our forums by series, Forza, GT, Project CARs, etc. Lets keep all of the threads and posts, but just include all sim racing. That answers all of the concerns that have been expressed.
Someone mentioned GBR's success. Yes, GBR has been very successful, in part because the stewards over there have embraced the new sims, while still focusing primarily on rFactor 1. We have an entire sub-forum over there that focuses on iRacing and it is flourishing. We also have a good start for rFactor 2, which of course will eventually become the primary sim played over there. I see the same kind of opportunity for us. Lets embrace, not fight change.
I see where your coming from, but there was a reason we set up the PC Racing side of things separately, and a reason GBR are not on here. In a perfect world we would be in one place, unfortunately a perfect world it is not. 2O2R also embrace any and all PC racing titles. Having our own home is not a bad thing, it's just a thing. We, 2O2R that is, share the same site, so that separation is not really a separation is it?
2O4R Console racing forum
2O2R PC racing forum
Side by side on the same site. Nothing stopping anyone dropping by to chew the fat with friends, just as I am here.
Ah I jumped Churches post and that kinda makes it a mute point :)
Yeah to be honest I thought the opening up of the site was further ahead than it is, 2O4F lead the way I think followed by 2O2R that was open from inception and always planned to be. Something I admit I was against at the start, but soon came around. I hope the others will do the same, because while they hide away behind closed doors they add nothing to the site as a whole.
There is 51 Open Forums but only 19 are group forums. The rest are random Off Topic areas 9Hockey, NSFW etc)
There is 67 Locked group forums. The only person that can view these are though that are approved by the group mods.
The excact stats for V3 of the site go like this:
2Old4Forza = Topics: 1376, Posts: 25604, Users: 627
2Old2Race = Topics: 135, Posts: 2912
Whole site stats = Topics: 160180, Posts: 330104, Users: 27383
I'll admit I miss read that but I still don't understand why we need to segregate one another into our own little corners....were all playing racing games!
Your comments about abandoment and not stepping down are why I never needed to assume you were a dick ;)
2 yrs ago I was able to foresee the direction forza was going which today most are just realizing, leading me to expand my horizon for the love of racing. Apparently you missed the part when I said my ultimate goal was to expand and become a cross platform club. If you go to steam and race2play you'll find D2NR clubs with 20+ members we also flew the 202P.com banner on our cars in hope to bring more members to this form. So there's your unity credit amigo!
Unfortunately 2 kids and having to switch to midnites to save on child are costs limited my gaming time to a race a week with just Gbr and 202R members which made it hard to recruit new members, but please feel free to enlighten me on what you did for the club outside of forza?
as for stepping down....why would I step down from what I built? So others could get there 2 min of fame in the forza community?
were any top tunes released after I left, contest run or calaborations with other clubs or painters made? Not that iam aware of
i built the ship, flew the ship and could sink it when I please
i passed the forza duties to fisho and rocket as they both dabbled in other racing titles and liked my vision for what I was trying to accomplish with the club, not to mention the amount of work they put in to get us recognized in the community. I apologize I wasn't able to foresee the dissappearence of rocket and once I sold my xbox I had no control of re assigning new leaders. Again you have forgotten the conversations I've had with you about me messaging him multiple times asking him to assign you. As for fisho we still talk and has recently built a PC but family life has gotten the best of his gaming time as well and he stepped down because I was the only reason he joined and returned racing with his Aussie friends.
Your comments just helped put a big chunk of that wall up I misinterpreted
cheers
Bah, I've never met a stranger and I don't care who reads what I have to say. But you all know that already...I don't think Doodi did at first...
As for tunes, collaborations and what not, I've done, participated in, and won a few, and most didn't involve D2NR, but whatever. Hell, a lot didn't involve 2O2P, but I DO prefer here to T-10, the median IQ over there is horrible (and that's just the moderators).
Most fun I've had with tunes/paints/series stuff has probably been in the last year or so and almost exclusively here. I started a race team, immediately lost a driver, recruited a dozen more, fielded some racers, worked with a few tuners, hung around a newly formed speed shop, learned to tune myself (mostly, not too bad at it anymore), even suggested a tweak on a AWD tune to a series promoter that worked out contrary to all conventional wisdom, worked with a few paints back n forth, even cross team, and won a series (ROFL had two out of three podium slots in that one when it settled).
And I'm not even a serious driver...I like to paint and poke fun, driving's just a perk.
But while all that happened, I made some really great friends. Shit happens when you're not paying attention.
Egotistical or truthful....see it how you wish, if members were in it for the love of the club and cared to see it grow why didn't anyone step up and continue a relationship with the forza community outside of 204F? Instead you'd rather blame me for sinking the ship.
clearly a lot of people didn't understand the sole purpose of why I created D2NR. Yes it was for protmoting/providing tunes for members. But there was more to it that few saw or realized. As most came to 204F for comfort away from public lobbies I was one of the few black sheeps that enjoyed racing in them, people started messaging me for tunes after races that I gladly supplied unlocked, I started meeting a lot of new tuners, clubs and random racers that fit our +25 criteria and that's when I decided to create D2NR during that time everyone was linked to the 204F and encouraged to sign up as it was home to our club thread and would be forced to see what was going on at the 202P forums. Meanwhile most of the heads here were trying to figure out how to recruit new members and looked at our club as trying to split current members into joining us, but no one realized that all the releases and contests we put on @ forza forums was an attempt to get the 204F community recognized so we could continue to grow today. To date every racing site I've put a D2NR team up on has a link to 202P.com
so about my egocentric ways and barb for unity that has no credibility.......
Been a slice Jones, and thanks for writing me off !
;)
Ah well I just had to...
Lol