The day I've picked is just an example so don't freak out just yet. We could make this a tradition without making to big a deal out of it. Kinda like Monday night Hockey.
Sitewide 2old2play Open Monday
No tourney stuff. No forced anything. Just a meet up on a chosen day every week. A possibility if you'd like. It doesn't require any work, just gamertags. Open Monday Halo, Open Monday COD etc...for all the big games, well small ones for that matter too. And we make it a tradition that at least one day a week we know we can find and play with any 2o2p members all over the site if we'd like. People for example that don't usually play Halo or have any friends that play halo could easily this way just pop the disc in on Monday because they'll know there will be someone playing it. Open Monday is of course all open rooms. All you need to do is to send out an FR to that games particular gamertag and then it's Monday night gaming. All 2o2p.
Whaddya think?
Pros? Cons?
Well, isn't that what I've started on Thursday night?
Hehe! Nope, exactly like that Deep!!! I was also thinking you know, a sitewide event with all different games goin on at the same time.
But...I have totally missed that you even had something like this going, or more correctly I thought it was a one time thingy. So I sort of spun off of your idea, or at least I thought I did, until now that is. Damn it, I need to step up my forum skillz!!!
My bad, but while we're on the subject, great f'n initiative Deep!!! Hehe, I wish I had come up with it!!! ;-)
The day I've picked is just an example so don't freak out just yet. We could make this a tradition without making to big a deal out of it. Kinda like Monday night Hockey.
Sitewide 2old2play Open Monday
No tourney stuff. No forced anything. Just a meet up on a chosen day every week. A possibility if you'd like. It doesn't require any work, just gamertags. Open Monday Halo, Open Monday COD etc...for all the big games, well small ones for that matter too. And we make it a tradition that at least one day a week we know we can find and play with any 2o2p members all over the site if we'd like. People for example that don't usually play Halo or have any friends that play halo could easily this way just pop the disc in on Monday because they'll know there will be someone playing it. Open Monday is of course all open rooms. All you need to do is to send out an FR to that games particular gamertag and then it's Monday night gaming. All 2o2p.
Whaddya think?
Pros? Cons?
Well, isn't that what I've started on Thursday night?
Hehe! Nope, exactly like that Deep!!! I was also thinking you know, a sitewide event with all different games goin on at the same time.
But...I have totally missed that you even had something like this going, or more correctly I thought it was a one time thingy. So I sort of spun off of your idea, or at least I thought I did, until now that is. Damn it, I need to step up my forum skillz!!!
My bad, but while we're on the subject, great f'n initiative Deep!!! Hehe, I wish I had come up with it!!! ;-)
Cheers,
E.
I too hope more and similar events start happening for all of the games. At some point it will reach an equilibrium of member activity and we will go from there. Hopefully newish people will jump in to see and hear us playing and say, "This is for me""!
What about asking private clans to post all their game related content int the general forum? They would only keep on their forums stuff related to their private events and their social content. This way you could have more content in the general forum and clans members could keep a private area.
I think there are a lot of good ideas in this thread. I don't think there is one magic pill that will fix everything so lets just do what we can, pull from these ideas and work to make the site stronger!
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to, they are discussions about our series, and are relavent only to members. They are not generic dicussions about gaming...You will get far more of that from 2O2Race when it is up and running...in fact I really hope that it dominates the top thread list There I hope there will be discussion about Race Sims that are out and those some of us are beta testing, as part of that there will be spin offs about grapics cards, triple monitor set ups and other such stuff, these are things that other people outside of racing could have input...I think that is far more the kind of thing your looking for.
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
Those posts highlighted are about series we are running, unless you are actually in those series what could an outsider add? not a matter of arrogance, just a statement of fact. There is the odd thread unrelated to Series that could be a better choice but they happened to be the ones trending at the time. Nine times out of ten that would be the case.
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
Those posts highlighted are about series we are running, unless you are actually in those series what could an outsider add? not a matter of arrogance, just a statement of fact. There is the odd thread unrelated to Series that could be a better choice but they happened to be the ones trending at the time. Nine times out of ten that would be the case.
i disagree with your thought that nobody can add to the conversation unless they are involved in it. not only that, why does someone have to add...i think people should be able to gain from it as well.
i will say i don't think opening your group to the public is the way to go. i'm more in favor of the other forum you've been talking about.
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
Those posts highlighted are about series we are running, unless you are actually in those series what could an outsider add? not a matter of arrogance, just a statement of fact. There is the odd thread unrelated to Series that could be a better choice but they happened to be the ones trending at the time. Nine times out of ten that would be the case.
i disagree with your thought that nobody can add to the conversation unless they are involved in it. not only that, why does someone have to add...i think people should be able to gain from it as well.
i will say i don't think opening your group to the public is the way to go. i'm more in favor of the other forum you've been talking about.
See those threads are not conversations as such, what car, what day, what time, where can I get the tune, anyone have the paint...etc. so when I say it has no relevance outside the people running that series I mean it. Anyone with an interest to that level is already a member...Anyway this is off topic and I should shut up about it :) I will be interested to see how many non racers contribute in the 2O2Race open forum when it is up. That will have some more generic type threads I think.
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
You sound interested. Would you like to join
On a serious note. What if you used the full data on the trending box as show above. If its in a Group Forum and you click the link could it take you to the groups public front page?
I know this might mean people will just try and intermingle with other clans but at least the Trending Topic box will look more like a gaming website to new people?
Although I like boobs and may have be my fault as I posted a lot of awesome pics there today
I think there are a lot of good ideas here and I think there are some terrible ones here.
I think anything that supplies clans with the ability to share the content they choose site wide and helps them recruit members is good.
I think anything that requires anything of the clans is bad.
There are some activities that clans may engage in that are detrimental to 2o2p. Every time something like that has come up the clan left/was booted. Overwhelmingly though, letting like minded gamers find one another and develop their own flavor of communtiy within the larger has almost always paid dividends for both the clan and the site.
Any rules about post-counts or public/private topics need to be enforced and we already do an awful job of enforcing the rules we have. That's not a knock on the mods or anything, but asking anyone to police the current level of activity (for free) is already a losing propositon. Planning to ramp it up and using volunteer labor, everyone an individual with fuck-all guidance from the "management," as the way to track what clans are adhering to honor rules is a recipe for mod revolt.
A couple of loud-mouthed shitbirds (like me) aside this entire discussion is being carried out by people that have nothing but the betterment of the site as their goal. Tell taxi to get a spreadsheet going so we can start a punchlist of things to get moving on and another of things to shitcan. Color-coding it will keep him busy until at least the LAN.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
I would say, don't get so hung up on this being a GAMING site that we forget it's a COMMUNITY too. So we have more than our fair share of weird Uncle Andys(<<<EDITED BY LBSUTKE)who stare at boobs a bit too much. If I was a new member and saw that topic in the trending list, I would think, "hey, a bunch of regular guys," not "My word, this offends my sensibilities, I shall look elsewhere." But, that's just ME, and, Lord knows, you probably don't want to target me as your main demographic.
Our desired folks are gamers, obviously, but I don't know a single gamer who is defined solely by their gaming. If this site had been JUST about gaming seven years ago, I would have been gone 6 years and 11 months ago, give or take.
I completely agree more gaming topics would be great for newcomers to see, but let's not pretend that topics outside of gaming haven't contributed just as much to the longevity of the site. Especially because the entire home page is about gaming. I'm not sure how anyone landing here would think this site wans't about gaming. Unless, of course, they go to the forums and see almost no posts about gaming. Oh wait, I've circled the globe and here I am again. I'd much rather have a thriving forum community that talked about gaming and other things than a less active forum just about gaming. You might wish for a super active forum JUST about gaming, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Like it or not, the members here want to talk about more than gaming.
Love this thread by the way. So many thoughts from so many folks who care about the site. It has literally renewed my interest in the main forums. I even looked through the home page today. Might not sound like a big deal, but the last time I looked at the home page was the day v3 launched, and that was only because I had to before I logged in.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
That'd be great, if Doodi hadn't already stated that finding new members and directing traffic to the site isn't a problem; keeping them interested is.
Now, I can see where a few people might find it disrepectful, but if they're upset that it exists at all, I'd argue that the door is that way ---->
Why? Because sometimes you just don't want a certain type of customer / community member. Why cater to the percentage of people that aren't mature enough to not click on something that they find offensive and then complain about it? Is that really who we want to keep and capture? The idiot full of self-entitlement with no impulse control? They'll find something else to complain about and cause drama. Let'em leave.
In a community as diverse as 2o2p, you'll have people that find something offensive. Boobs and idolizing Christina Hendriks may be it to a number of people, but I don't want to have to watch what I say around someone that isn't mature enough to accept that others like something they find offensive, when what's causing the problem is a social norm in North America.
That said, it would be nice to have something gaming related to talk about. For my part, that would require me to actually start gaming. /sigh So for now, there's a bunch of people like myself that sit on the sidelines and *read* about gaming, because we game vicariously through you all. Now, get out there, game, come back here and post something positive about it, so I can enjoy gaming ;)
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to sensor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any assumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to senor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any presumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to senor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any presumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to sensor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any assumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Doodi,
Let me clarify a couple of things so you can better understand where I’m coming from here. I’m not that interested in subject matter and I’m certainly not advocating that boob threads should be banned and political posts should be allowed. It’s not even about what I want. I’m alarmed by the mentality of so many posters in this thread that are promoting that it’s the non-active membership that are the problem.
That being said, most people don’t complain, they simply go and spend their time somewhere else. Do I think that people left because of a boob thread? Of course not. Do I think that the aggregate volume of juvenile posts that dominate the conversations is a factor in people staying away? Absolutely. As fun as it may be for people who have been here for a while, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I bet it’s the biggest contributing factor of why people left and outnumbers all other reasons combined..
I’m not complaining, and you probably can’t change it if you wanted at this point. But it is what it is.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to sensor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any assumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Doodi,
Let me clarify a couple of things so you can better understand where I’m coming from here. I’m not that interested in subject matter and I’m certainly not advocating that boob threads should be banned and political posts should be allowed. It’s not even about what I want. I’m alarmed by the mentality of so many posters in this thread that are promoting that it’s the non-active membership that are the problem.
That being said, most people don’t complain, they simply go and spend their time somewhere else. Do I think that people left because of a boob thread? Of course not. Do I think that the aggregate volume of juvenile posts that dominate the conversations is a factor in people staying away? Absolutely. As fun as it may be for people who have been here for a while, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I bet it’s the biggest contributing factor of why people left and outnumbers all other reasons combined..
I’m not complaining, and you probably can’t change it if you wanted at this point. But it is what it is.
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
This is what i always thought was the winning formula of 2o2p. Our lives are filled with responsibilities and demands. Here we let down our hair, hang with similar people who also wanna have fun the same way we do. Rude humour has always been included and thank God for that cause it helps melt away the bad and fill me up with the good. And the people, lots of you are pretty great!
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
This is what i always thought was the winning formula of 2o2p. Our lives are filled with responsibilities and demands. Here we let down our hair, hang with similar people who also wanna have fun the same way we do. Rude humour has always been included and thank God for that cause it helps melt away the bad and fill me up with the good. And the people, lots of you are pretty great!
+1 (Vote Button)
I use this place as my second home. After the BS of work 60hrs a week I need somewhere just to chill, laugh and look at shit.
Also with the +1 button can we have a -1 button aswell?
I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to sensor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any assumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
Doodi,
Let me clarify a couple of things so you can better understand where I’m coming from here. I’m not that interested in subject matter and I’m certainly not advocating that boob threads should be banned and political posts should be allowed. It’s not even about what I want. I’m alarmed by the mentality of so many posters in this thread that are promoting that it’s the non-active membership that are the problem.
That being said, most people don’t complain, they simply go and spend their time somewhere else. Do I think that people left because of a boob thread? Of course not. Do I think that the aggregate volume of juvenile posts that dominate the conversations is a factor in people staying away? Absolutely. As fun as it may be for people who have been here for a while, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I bet it’s the biggest contributing factor of why people left and outnumbers all other reasons combined..
I’m not complaining, and you probably can’t change it if you wanted at this point. But it is what it is.
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
+1 another post I could use a like button.
I dont want to come here and be "stuffy". I want to come here, BS with some friends, hook up some games and times and enjoy myself. I have to be an "adult" 90% of the time. This is my other "10%" that allows me to decompress, vent whatever. I think Webmonkey said it best!
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
And I'm 100% fine with that. It's your site and hard work that's made everything possible. I'm just glad you have allowed us to be guests here so we can be along for the ride. So just in case I came off ungrateful before, let me make sure you know I'm apprecative.
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
And I'm 100% fine with that. It's your site and hard work that's made everything possible. I'm just glad you have allowed us to be guests here so we can be along for the ride. So just in case I came off ungrateful before, let me make sure you know I'm apprecative.
In fact, the first 40 or 50 of us came here from a site just like that and this has always been a spot where we could be ourselves a little more and adults a little less. Almost every other gaming site is mature and promotes as non offensive so we are kind of proud of being anti establishment. Your point is well taken though that we will not as easily appeal to a mass crowd, we just have to do better to appeal to our "target" crowd. Ive met raunchier girls online than any guy I know and most of them here...large black dongs anyone?
We are so vanilla today compared to our past incarnations that I would go so far to say that I would like to see it go the other way. Businesses that are successful leverage their strengths...ours was always to provide a home for people who not only want to game with other adults, but provide a home for those who are a little more biker bar at closing time and a little less martini bar at happy hour. We're more Camaros, whiskey and unsafe sex than we are Prius', Zimas and circumcisions. Don't circumcise me bro (figuratively)...let me whip it out and show new people that we are 2old2play...girthy, hairy and sometimes a little smelly but always a fuckload of fun.
I have an idea that may suck. Just going to throw it out there...
What if we had a forum that was sort of the "Off-topic" forum of gaming? Sometimes I think all the gaming divisions make things difficult. For example, I was thinking about trying Hybrid, which is a 3rd person shooter that just came out on XBLA. So I thought maybe someone would have posted about it, but wasn't sure if it would be in FPS or Action or what. Either, way, it's such a small game, and I don't think people regularly visit those forums like they do the Off-topic, Gears, Halo, COD, etc forums. It may not really have a good place to belong.
In our clan forum, we have a "Non-thread-worthy games...thread" where we post about games we know don't have a huge impact, but a couple people might be interested. My idea would be for a forum kinda like this, that could be for any game from any platform, and just general gaming-type discussions too that aren't really off-topic. If a particular game blows up, and there are too many posts for it cluttering the forum, maybe shuffle it off to one of the gaming divisions or its own forum then. And maybe even allow one Borderlands thread in there, and one Gears, one Halo, etc, just for current event posts and to direct people to those specific forums, and for random posts about those games (funny gifs or something). If a Borderlands thread is active, it will stay near the top and people can use it, if not, let it fall to the bottom.
This is also a good way to see what people are playing right now. In the CoOp Syndicate Group (clan that anyone can click to join) you can easily see what a bunch of people are currently playing and join on up and it covers a whole range of games. There's a Mercenaries 2 thread right now for people to find each other, for example.
It could also have threads like a "Skyrim stories" thread, where people could post stories about their travels, for example. This way the thread wouldn't be buried in the Skyrim forum that only active Skyrim players visit. There are plenty of people that would enjoy reading some Skyrim stories, or GoW stories, or whatever, even if they aren't playing those games and without having to go to those games' forums.
I'd hope that this "Gaming Fodder" forum would be one of the two main site-wide forums (along with Off-topic) that would kinda filter people into the site every day, and then out to the other dedicated game forums.
I don't know if I've thought this through enough though............so here is my favorite smiley.
Around when Gears 2 came out I saw an ad for this site on the xbox dashboard. It was one of those community mixer nights, and it had a little blurb about 2o2p being a site for 25+ gamers. A chance to finally get away from Timmy was too good to pass up so of course I had to go and check the site out. I think if we could get the name out there more, that would help quite a bit. There's got to be someone on the site with a hook up in Machinima or 343 or something who can get the site mentioned and talked about. Bringing in more people will make more content.
Once people get here they're naturally going to move into clans, so to help keep more traffic on the main site we should do events. Someone ran a tournament for custom maps in Reach not long ago, that got people posting in the Halo forum. If someone's got a Youtube channel they could hold contests for the best weekly clips of a certain game and upload those. Even just random mixers for obscure arcade games. Something to get people playing something aside from their clan's main game.
Hehe! Nope, exactly like that Deep!!! I was also thinking you know, a sitewide event with all different games goin on at the same time.
But...I have totally missed that you even had something like this going, or more correctly I thought it was a one time thingy. So I sort of spun off of your idea, or at least I thought I did, until now that is. Damn it, I need to step up my forum skillz!!!
My bad, but while we're on the subject, great f'n initiative Deep!!! Hehe, I wish I had come up with it!!! ;-)
Cheers,
E.
What about asking private clans to post all their game related content int the general forum? They would only keep on their forums stuff related to their private events and their social content. This way you could have more content in the general forum and clans members could keep a private area.
I think there are a lot of good ideas in this thread. I don't think there is one magic pill that will fix everything so lets just do what we can, pull from these ideas and work to make the site stronger!
Hmm okay but the forza post have nothing that anyone outside the group could add to, they are discussions about our series, and are relavent only to members. They are not generic dicussions about gaming...You will get far more of that from 2O2Race when it is up and running...in fact I really hope that it dominates the top thread list
There I hope there will be discussion about Race Sims that are out and those some of us are beta testing, as part of that there will be spin offs about grapics cards, triple monitor set ups and other such stuff, these are things that other people outside of racing could have input...I think that is far more the kind of thing your looking for.
Hmm maybe a bit of humility
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was thinking about content related to the one or two games any given clan actually play, not gaming in general.
It's only natural that your discussions may only interest your members because any 2o2p member expressing the slightest interest in Forza is automatically added to your clan, which is great, but most clans don't do that.
Those posts highlighted are about series we are running, unless you are actually in those series what could an outsider add? not a matter of arrogance, just a statement of fact. There is the odd thread unrelated to Series that could be a better choice but they happened to be the ones trending at the time. Nine times out of ten that would be the case.
i disagree with your thought that nobody can add to the conversation unless they are involved in it. not only that, why does someone have to add...i think people should be able to gain from it as well.
i will say i don't think opening your group to the public is the way to go. i'm more in favor of the other forum you've been talking about.
See those threads are not conversations as such, what car, what day, what time, where can I get the tune, anyone have the paint...etc. so when I say it has no relevance outside the people running that series I mean it. Anyone with an interest to that level is already a member...Anyway this is off topic and I should shut up about it :) I will be interested to see how many non racers contribute in the 2O2Race open forum when it is up. That will have some more generic type threads I think.
You sound interested. Would you like to join
On a serious note. What if you used the full data on the trending box as show above. If its in a Group Forum and you click the link could it take you to the groups public front page?
I know this might mean people will just try and intermingle with other clans but at least the Trending Topic box will look more like a gaming website to new people?
Although I like boobs and may have be my fault as I posted a lot of awesome pics there today.gif "107")
I think there are a lot of good ideas here and I think there are some terrible ones here.
I think anything that supplies clans with the ability to share the content they choose site wide and helps them recruit members is good.
I think anything that requires anything of the clans is bad.
There are some activities that clans may engage in that are detrimental to 2o2p. Every time something like that has come up the clan left/was booted. Overwhelmingly though, letting like minded gamers find one another and develop their own flavor of communtiy within the larger has almost always paid dividends for both the clan and the site.
Any rules about post-counts or public/private topics need to be enforced and we already do an awful job of enforcing the rules we have. That's not a knock on the mods or anything, but asking anyone to police the current level of activity (for free) is already a losing propositon. Planning to ramp it up and using volunteer labor, everyone an individual with fuck-all guidance from the "management," as the way to track what clans are adhering to honor rules is a recipe for mod revolt.
A couple of loud-mouthed shitbirds (like me) aside this entire discussion is being carried out by people that have nothing but the betterment of the site as their goal. Tell taxi to get a spreadsheet going so we can start a punchlist of things to get moving on and another of things to shitcan. Color-coding it will keep him busy until at least the LAN.
I also think TDrag should shut her hole.
Boobs and bacon are adolescent and purile? I'm guessing you meant that as a negative, but I have to be an adult 50 hours a week at work, and probably another 130 or so a week at home. Why can't I choose to be an adolescent with like-minded folks for a few hours a week on any site, including a gaming site?
I would say, don't get so hung up on this being a GAMING site that we forget it's a COMMUNITY too. So we have more than our fair share of weird Uncle Andys (<<<EDITED BY LBSUTKE)who stare at boobs a bit too much. If I was a new member and saw that topic in the trending list, I would think, "hey, a bunch of regular guys," not "My word, this offends my sensibilities, I shall look elsewhere." But, that's just ME, and, Lord knows, you probably don't want to target me as your main demographic.
Our desired folks are gamers, obviously, but I don't know a single gamer who is defined solely by their gaming. If this site had been JUST about gaming seven years ago, I would have been gone 6 years and 11 months ago, give or take.
I completely agree more gaming topics would be great for newcomers to see, but let's not pretend that topics outside of gaming haven't contributed just as much to the longevity of the site. Especially because the entire home page is about gaming. I'm not sure how anyone landing here would think this site wans't about gaming. Unless, of course, they go to the forums and see almost no posts about gaming. Oh wait, I've circled the globe and here I am again. I'd much rather have a thriving forum community that talked about gaming and other things than a less active forum just about gaming. You might wish for a super active forum JUST about gaming, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Like it or not, the members here want to talk about more than gaming.
Love this thread by the way. So many thoughts from so many folks who care about the site. It has literally renewed my interest in the main forums. I even looked through the home page today. Might not sound like a big deal, but the last time I looked at the home page was the day v3 launched, and that was only because I had to before I logged in..gif "1")
The problem with the boob threads is that you run the risk that people find them disrespectful to women. This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We'll take politics off the table comletely because someone got a nasty PM, but no one even considers that we may be offending women with the boob threads. To make things worse, some knucklehead decided to pin it to the top. What kind of message does that send to female members?
I'm not arguing morality here, I'm saying from a business perspective we need to be more accomodating to a broader target audience. If members don't want that, that's OK , just quit bitching about the board being dead -- you reap what you sow.
That'd be great, if Doodi hadn't already stated that finding new members and directing traffic to the site isn't a problem; keeping them interested is.
Now, I can see where a few people might find it disrepectful, but if they're upset that it exists at all, I'd argue that the door is that way ---->
Why? Because sometimes you just don't want a certain type of customer / community member. Why cater to the percentage of people that aren't mature enough to not click on something that they find offensive and then complain about it? Is that really who we want to keep and capture? The idiot full of self-entitlement with no impulse control? They'll find something else to complain about and cause drama. Let'em leave.
In a community as diverse as 2o2p, you'll have people that find something offensive. Boobs and idolizing Christina Hendriks may be it to a number of people, but I don't want to have to watch what I say around someone that isn't mature enough to accept that others like something they find offensive, when what's causing the problem is a social norm in North America.
That said, it would be nice to have something gaming related to talk about. For my part, that would require me to actually start gaming. /sigh So for now, there's a bunch of people like myself that sit on the sidelines and *read* about gaming, because we game vicariously through you all. Now, get out there, game, come back here and post something positive about it, so I can enjoy gaming ;)
I'd agree with most of what you said, however when you equate the board being dead to a boob thread you kind of lost me there. 2o2p has always had a slight NSFW side to it; it's an adult site after all. We're not PG and it's never been a huge goal of mine to sensor that type of info. I do think that it can sometimes get out of hand (which is why there is no longer a NSFW thread), but I feel its within the realm of normal posts on the internet.
On the flip side, the political thing caused real relationship affecting problems. When the politic forum was open, we lost 2 mods, banned several members, and one-time-good friends suddenly became enemies because of political affiliation. The issue was apparent and easily quantifiable. No good comes of political discussion on a gaming site, but at least we can all agree that boobs are nice.
As for women finding the thread objectionable, you'd have to ask them as I don't want to make any assumptions. There are plenty of women on 2o2p and without speaking for them, I've never heard an out cry to take these threads down. Obviously this industry is male dominated and that probably plays into the threads you see here, but I hope women would understand they have the same rights to post content that the guys do. In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well.
I'm sure the Cabal Clan has a Magic Mike thread
Why don't you go screencap it for us?
Well Played Sir
In fact for a while we had a "Hot Guys" thread in off topic as well
I will send you a picture of myself if you want to restart that thread.
Again, CHURCH, put yur shirt back on!
DON'T get him going guys....
please?
Doodi,
Let me clarify a couple of things so you can better understand where I’m coming from here. I’m not that interested in subject matter and I’m certainly not advocating that boob threads should be banned and political posts should be allowed. It’s not even about what I want. I’m alarmed by the mentality of so many posters in this thread that are promoting that it’s the non-active membership that are the problem.
That being said, most people don’t complain, they simply go and spend their time somewhere else. Do I think that people left because of a boob thread? Of course not. Do I think that the aggregate volume of juvenile posts that dominate the conversations is a factor in people staying away? Absolutely. As fun as it may be for people who have been here for a while, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I bet it’s the biggest contributing factor of why people left and outnumbers all other reasons combined..
I’m not complaining, and you probably can’t change it if you wanted at this point. But it is what it is.
I suppose we would just have to agree to disagree on that point. I think most people on the site come here to get away from a stuffy environment and the "childish" type of content is what allows them to do that. One look into any clan forum here pretty much sells this truth. I'm not saying its perfect, but I'm also not sure I dislike it either. I respect your point of view, it's just now how I see 2o2p.
This is what i always thought was the winning formula of 2o2p. Our lives are filled with responsibilities and demands. Here we let down our hair, hang with similar people who also wanna have fun the same way we do. Rude humour has always been included and thank God for that cause it helps melt away the bad and fill me up with the good. And the people, lots of you are pretty great!
+1 (Vote Button)
I use this place as my second home. After the BS of work 60hrs a week I need somewhere just to chill, laugh and look at shit.
Also with the +1 button can we have a -1 button aswell?
OMG! The stories I could tell........gif "79")
+1 another post I could use a like button.
I dont want to come here and be "stuffy". I want to come here, BS with some friends, hook up some games and times and enjoy myself. I have to be an "adult" 90% of the time. This is my other "10%" that allows me to decompress, vent whatever. I think Webmonkey said it best!
And I'm 100% fine with that. It's your site and hard work that's made everything possible. I'm just glad you have allowed us to be guests here so we can be along for the ride. So just in case I came off ungrateful before, let me make sure you know I'm apprecative.
In fact, the first 40 or 50 of us came here from a site just like that and this has always been a spot where we could be ourselves a little more and adults a little less. Almost every other gaming site is mature and promotes as non offensive so we are kind of proud of being anti establishment. Your point is well taken though that we will not as easily appeal to a mass crowd, we just have to do better to appeal to our "target" crowd. Ive met raunchier girls online than any guy I know and most of them here...large black dongs anyone?
We are so vanilla today compared to our past incarnations that I would go so far to say that I would like to see it go the other way. Businesses that are successful leverage their strengths...ours was always to provide a home for people who not only want to game with other adults, but provide a home for those who are a little more biker bar at closing time and a little less martini bar at happy hour. We're more Camaros, whiskey and unsafe sex than we are Prius', Zimas and circumcisions. Don't circumcise me bro (figuratively)...let me whip it out and show new people that we are 2old2play...girthy, hairy and sometimes a little smelly but always a fuckload of fun.
I have an idea that may suck. Just going to throw it out there...
What if we had a forum that was sort of the "Off-topic" forum of gaming? Sometimes I think all the gaming divisions make things difficult. For example, I was thinking about trying Hybrid, which is a 3rd person shooter that just came out on XBLA. So I thought maybe someone would have posted about it, but wasn't sure if it would be in FPS or Action or what. Either, way, it's such a small game, and I don't think people regularly visit those forums like they do the Off-topic, Gears, Halo, COD, etc forums. It may not really have a good place to belong.
In our clan forum, we have a "Non-thread-worthy games...thread" where we post about games we know don't have a huge impact, but a couple people might be interested. My idea would be for a forum kinda like this, that could be for any game from any platform, and just general gaming-type discussions too that aren't really off-topic. If a particular game blows up, and there are too many posts for it cluttering the forum, maybe shuffle it off to one of the gaming divisions or its own forum then. And maybe even allow one Borderlands thread in there, and one Gears, one Halo, etc, just for current event posts and to direct people to those specific forums, and for random posts about those games (funny gifs or something). If a Borderlands thread is active, it will stay near the top and people can use it, if not, let it fall to the bottom.
This is also a good way to see what people are playing right now. In the CoOp Syndicate Group (clan that anyone can click to join) you can easily see what a bunch of people are currently playing and join on up and it covers a whole range of games. There's a Mercenaries 2 thread right now for people to find each other, for example.
It could also have threads like a "Skyrim stories" thread, where people could post stories about their travels, for example. This way the thread wouldn't be buried in the Skyrim forum that only active Skyrim players visit. There are plenty of people that would enjoy reading some Skyrim stories, or GoW stories, or whatever, even if they aren't playing those games and without having to go to those games' forums.
I'd hope that this "Gaming Fodder" forum would be one of the two main site-wide forums (along with Off-topic) that would kinda filter people into the site every day, and then out to the other dedicated game forums.
I don't know if I've thought this through enough though............so here is my favorite smiley..gif "95")
Around when Gears 2 came out I saw an ad for this site on the xbox dashboard. It was one of those community mixer nights, and it had a little blurb about 2o2p being a site for 25+ gamers. A chance to finally get away from Timmy was too good to pass up so of course I had to go and check the site out. I think if we could get the name out there more, that would help quite a bit. There's got to be someone on the site with a hook up in Machinima or 343 or something who can get the site mentioned and talked about. Bringing in more people will make more content.
Once people get here they're naturally going to move into clans, so to help keep more traffic on the main site we should do events. Someone ran a tournament for custom maps in Reach not long ago, that got people posting in the Halo forum. If someone's got a Youtube channel they could hold contests for the best weekly clips of a certain game and upload those. Even just random mixers for obscure arcade games. Something to get people playing something aside from their clan's main game.