The hard drive installs enable quick switching instead of disc swapping. Mainly, a disc speeds up install compared to downloading the title.
This is the entire reason we are having this conversation - the quick game launching without a disc or having to take out / put anything in. Otherwise, they'd just use a disc check like the 360.
Random thought..but with digital day 1 and with the disc almost being useless anyways at this point in time..do you buy the disc or do you just buy digital?
Random thought..but with digital day 1 and with the disc almost being useless anyways at this point in time..do you buy the disc or do you just buy digital?
A disc allows resale at a gamestop, but no details in if digital titles can have anything similar (but digitally).
A disc seemingly would speed up installing, but a game can be played while it installs anyways.
The real factor I suppose is exclusive pre-order or retailer bonuses. Physical items in a collectors edition too.
I'd be happy to save time and money through downloading and not driving to get a disc.
Random thought..but with digital day 1 and with the disc almost being useless anyways at this point in time..do you buy the disc or do you just buy digital?
I'm planning to go all digital. Hopefully that choice will save me a buck or two.
Random thought..but with digital day 1 and with the disc almost being useless anyways at this point in time..do you buy the disc or do you just buy digital?
I'm planning to go all digital. Hopefully that choice will save me a buck or two.
I don't see how digital will save you money, but good luck. More often sales on discs than digital, and you can resell discs.
CProRacing wrote:
What happens when everything goes digital? (It will one day)
I'm surprised so many people have issues with it. Like everyone is walking around with a CD player in there pocket.
No, but most people today are walking around with a phone that can double as a media device, not a smart phone mind you. But a phone with a sim card, the SW on the phone can be a media player.
In 1999, Sega single-handedly created online console gaming by including a modem in every Dreamcast sold. It wasn't an adapter that people would need to buy. It was a 56k modem, built in as part of the system, so that every developer would know that 100% of their potential customers had the ability to get online.
At that time everyone had dial-up access. Between NetZero and AOL, it was cheap-to-free to get an ISP for your PC and your Dreamcast. It was a genius move, and one that forced Nintendo and Sony to release modem adapters for their consoles, since including them in the launch box wasn't part of their original plans.
In 2001, though, only two years after the Dreamcast was released, Microsoft upended conventional wisdom by specifically NOT including a 56k modem in their new console. Instead, they laid down the law that their online gaming system would be broadband ONLY. If you lived in the vast majority of the country where broadband wasn't available, you were out of luck. Xbox live wasn't for you. If you only had dial-up you could go play Phantasy Star Online on your Dreamcast or Gamecube, since you couldn't play it on an Xbox through your phone line.
That was 12 years ago. And Microsoft's strategy was a huge success. Xbox and Xbox 360 titles drove up demand for broadband, and expanded broadband access increased the size of their customer base. The Xbox became the console to own on college campuses, since it could take advantage of the universities' high-speed internet access. And as broadband expanded to neighborhoods, gamers thought "Finally! I can get on Xbox Live!"
Microsoft knew that they couldn't offer a superior product if they had to cater to everyone. So they picked a segment of the market and focused all their innovation there.
The Xbox One's online requirements are just a continuation of what we've seen from Microsoft over the past 12 years. They see great innovative potential with digital downloads and cloud computing. They believe they can deliver a vastly superior product if they cater only to gamers that have steady broadband internet access.
It's innovative. It's daring. It's off-putting to those who will be left outside. But it has the potential to be absolutely amazing, just like the original Xbox was.
It's innovative. It's daring. It's off-putting to those who will be left outside. But it has the potential to be absolutely amazing, just like the original Xbox was.
Don't fix what ain't broke and keep it simple.
It's off-putting to me and I have high-speed internet, a computer that's on 24/7 and always connected to the internet. I know that my PC will still function without it's internet connection. If it didn't....I wouldn't own the damn thing. Windows 7 works without requiring an internet connection 24/7. It only checks in that 1 time initially to register...then it leaves you alone. That's easy. Simple. What tech is supposed to be.
It's daring because they are actually challenging the intelligence of their consumer base, and have given no reason as to why this requirement is there other than "trust us...you need this because look it's a microsoft product and you want it because we say you want it. And you'll buy it because we know you will. And we will throw as much money at this problem as we can until it goes away because it's what we do. Remember RROD? I sure don't. Millions of consoles repaired and replaced? I don't know what you're talking about. INNOVATION!"
They aren't innovative by requiring you to check-in once every 24 hours. It's not innovative to have a device that ceases it's primary function because you don't meet (in most instances) a small requirement. My iPod doesn't quit playing music if the iTunes store crashes and burns. My car doesn't shut off if my air conditioning doesn't work 100% of the time. It still cranks and drives.
And requiring someone to check-in once every 24 hours isn't going to suddenly increase the quality of people's services or cause a great revolution for broadband internet. People have it.....or they don't. Just like it was when the original Xbox came out. It was only required to play online games. Not a requirment for the damn thing to play games in general. Sure people demanded more broadband and it happened. But people aren't asking for more hoops to jump through to play games. And they aren't asking to have their ownership of what they buy come into question.
I remember when I finally got Xbox Live and played Halo 2 for the first time online. It was amazing. Requiring broadband made sense for that. Requiring a check-in does not make any kind of sense in order for the damn device to play games. A lot of people play online, I'm one of those people. But I know that I have the option to not have to worry about internet connectivity with my 360 if I want to play Arkham Asylum offline. They are removing an option. To me an important option. The Xbox did not need internet to function. They designed the Xbone to require it for no real reason that they will share. Which to me says poor design with poor intent.
Microsoft isn't streaming the games to my hard drive. I install disc-based media from a disc. Streaming games is a neat option. But I don't want it to be my primary gaming option. If you have to bug me, register once then leave me the hell alone to play my game. I just want to play a game. Put a disc in and play. You know....simple. You've got my damn money, now leave me the hell alone to enjoy this temporary license I rented from you for however long you decide to let me keep it.
It is not innovative to restrict your consumers. It's back-asswards and old news. Making your consumer jump through hoops is not innovative. Technology is supposed to make things easier.
I know that my PC will still function without it's internet connection. If it didn't....I wouldn't own the damn thing. Windows 7 works without requiring an internet connection 24/7. It only checks in that 1 time initially to register...then it leaves you alone. That's easy. Simple. What tech is supposed to be.
It would be like that, if you didn't have the full game installed to the drive without need for disc. Since you do, it stops people from installing the game and reselling it but keeping it for themselves as well. It's actually pretty simple. It's not there to screw you, it's there to stop publishers from being screwed.
If you can think of a way that disc games could be swapped on the fly without removing and inserting a new disc, and downloaded anywhere to any box under your tag, that didn't involve checking your game, I'm sure MS would love to hear your idea.
I know that my PC will still function without it's internet connection. If it didn't....I wouldn't own the damn thing. Windows 7 works without requiring an internet connection 24/7. It only checks in that 1 time initially to register...then it leaves you alone. That's easy. Simple. What tech is supposed to be.
It would be like that, if you didn't have the full game installed to the drive without need for disc. Since you do, it stops people from installing the game and reselling it but keeping it for themselves as well. It's actually pretty simple. It's not there to screw you, it's there to stop publishers from being screwed.
If you can think of a way that disc games could be swapped on the fly without removing and inserting a new disc, and downloaded anywhere to any box under your tag, that didn't involve checking your game, I'm sure MS would love to hear your idea.
That part doesn't bother me. Im perfectly fine with developers and publishers making more green for their work. I realize that people would pirate the hell out of the games if there was an easy way to install a game and pass it off with no registration. The registration doesn't bother me. I play pc games. It's part of the beast. What bothers me is that, even after I register my game and all that legitimately....if the console itself doesn't log in once every 24 hours, I lose the ability to play the games I purchased, took the time to install, AND register. I don't see any reason to have to check-in, other than Microsoft really thinks I'm trying to steal it's stuff. I don't pirate games. Every PC game I own was either purchased through Steam, or at some brick & mortar retail store. I have no problems registering a game. But to make me check in even after that. To make it mandatory. I don't see value in that. I also see losing a little bit of value because I can't de-register and share the game with a friend temporarily.
If microsoft didn't require mandatory game installations, rendering the disc media useles....there wouldn't need to be any registration or online-check. Creating a problem that only they can solve. Let installing the game be an option. If you install, you need to register it with this code (only provided with a new copy). If you don't, then just play the game off of the disc. I don't care if the console keeps my save data loaded up and ready to play. I don't need it to do that. It's a cool feature, but I don't want it at the expense of my "freedoms". I don't see the mandatory need for game installations except to utilize a couple of different features....which I don't really care about. Taking time to install a console game is less time I'm playing said console game. I play console games when I don't feel like messing with my PC. They are supposed to be simpler. Put in a disc and play.
I could maybe....maybe be accepting of the 24 check-in if they would come out and say why it absolutely has to be online all the time other than "trust us it's gonna be cool." Forgive me for not being quite so trusting. I don't just go handing out my hard earned cash to someone because they say "trust me this is gonna be cool."
The Xbone has some awesome features. It's gonna have some great games. But like a few others have said on here....the console has no value to me whatsoever if it's going to essentially be just a bluray player and tv passthrough if I can't connect to the internet.
I know a lot of people don't see a problem with this, and that's cool. I'm just VERY uncomfortable and weary of handing over that much control of my gaming experience to a company. I much prefer the "sell me the product then get the hell out of my way" approach. You have my money, now leave me to my gaming. I know where the internet is if I want to be bombarded with ads and all that.
If I want online, I'll buy XBL Gold. If I don't, I think I should still be able to play games on the thing. But that's just me.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Microsoft has a true gaming utopia lined up for us where our gaming cocks get stroked and our nipples get pinched just right every time we are in it...and it will be beautiful. But I really really doubt that.
I like my options. And gaming shouldn't be treated like a temporary feature that you can ignore on a game console. It should be the primary focus. So to me restricting your consumer on how they can do that ultimately hurts their bottom line.
The registration doesn't bother me. I play pc games. It's part of the beast. What bothers me is that, even after I register my game and all that legitimately....if the console itself doesn't log in once every 24 hours, I lose the ability to play the games I purchased, took the time to install, AND register. I don't see any reason to have to check-in, other than Microsoft really thinks I'm trying to steal it's stuff. I don't pirate games. Every PC game I own was either purchased through Steam, or at some brick & mortar retail store. I have no problems registering a game. But to make me check in even after that. To make it mandatory. I don't see value in that. I also see losing a little bit of value because I can't de-register and share the game with a friend temporarily.
If microsoft didn't require mandatory game installations, rendering the disc media useles....there wouldn't need to be any registration or online-check. Creating a problem that only they can solve. Let installing the game be an option. If you install, you need to register it with this code (only provided with a new copy). If you don't, then just play the game off of the disc. I don't care if the console keeps my save data loaded up and ready to play. I don't need it to do that. It's a cool feature, but I don't want it at the expense of my "freedoms". I don't see the mandatory need for game installations except to utilize a couple of different features....which I don't really care about. Taking time to install a console game is less time I'm playing said console game. I play console games when I don't feel like messing with my PC. They are supposed to be simpler. Put in a disc and play.
I could maybe....maybe be accepting of the 24 check-in if they would come out and say why it absolutely has to be online all the time other than "trust us it's gonna be cool." Forgive me for not being quite so trusting. I don't just go handing out my hard earned cash to someone because they say "trust me this is gonna be cool."
The Xbone has some awesome features. It's gonna have some great games. But like a few others have said on here....the console has no value to me whatsoever if it's going to essentially be just a bluray player and tv passthrough if I can't connect to the internet.
I know a lot of people don't see a problem with this, and that's cool. I'm just VERY uncomfortable and weary of handing over that much control of my gaming experience to a company. I much prefer the "sell me the product then get the hell out of my way" approach. You have my money, now leave me to my gaming. I know where the internet is if I want to be bombarded with ads and all that.
If I want online, I'll buy XBL Gold. If I don't, I think I should still be able to play games on the thing. But that's just me.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Microsoft has a true gaming utopia lined up for us where our gaming cocks get stroked and our nipples get pinched just right every time we are in it...and it will be beautiful. But I really really doubt that.
I like my options. And gaming shouldn't be treated like a temporary feature that you can ignore on a game console. It should be the primary focus. So to me restricting your consumer on how they can do that ultimately hurts their bottom line.
I feel like you understand the entire thing, you just innately don't like it. That's fine. But you understand why it has to be this way.
If there were this "code" in the case to install - then you could install the game and register it, then give the disc to someone else or sell it and they could play it offline. Therefore duplicating the game.
With Steam, it's all digital. There's no disc to give to someone else with the full game on it. It's a completely different animal. And with any PC games you have a one time use code that installs the game. It won't work without it. Therefore immediately making the disc useless, which is one step further than MS who will let you sell it to Gamestop or give it to one friend.
To the bolded part:
Sorry, MS can't read your mind. They don't know you from Adam. They can't say "well, Gatsu won't steal games, so he doesn't need to check in." Because anyone who wants to steal and is given the option, will. Regardless of your anecdotal situation, unfortunately you have to play to the human race as a whole.
I feel like you understand the entire thing, you just innately don't like it. That's fine. But you understand why it has to be this way.
If there were this "code" in the case to install - then you could install the game and register it, then give the disc to someone else or sell it and they could play it offline. Therefore duplicating the game.
With Steam, it's all digital. There's no disc to give to someone else with the full game on it. It's a completely different animal. And with any PC games you have a one time use code that installs the game. It won't work without it. Therefore immediately making the disc useless, which is one step further than MS who will let you sell it to Gamestop or give it to one friend.
To the bolded part:
Sorry, MS can't read your mind. They don't know you from Adam. They can't say "well, Gatsu won't steal games, so he doesn't need to check in." Because anyone who wants to steal and is given the option, will. Regardless of your anecdotal situation, unfortunately you have to play to the human race as a whole.
I guess my real gripe with it is the loss of the freedom to share a game with a friend (hell I share games with my fiance in my house, we both have 360s and share games all the time, so what will we have to do now? Buy 2 of everything?), and then the constantly being checked on. Register a game I install, that makes sense and I'm okay with it. But register it once. Or if you feel that I'm a big-time crook that pirates everything, then anytime I connect it online. But don't make me connect to check in. Don't render my hardware useless because you've got trust issues. I registered once and you have it on record….let me be. Now if I want to de-register it or sell it....then obviously I'd need to connect online to let MS know so they can alter their information accordingly. But that once a day thing just ain't fly with this white guy.
And I don't mind digital distribution, I just don't want it to be my only option.
I hope that if MS gets there way and the system really sells…..that they will actually begin getting steam-like sales and different distribution models out there this generation. Because if they don't push for that, then all this hoop-jumping and always on hoopla would have been for nothing.
I guess my real gripe with it is the loss of the freedom to share a game with a friend (hell I share games with my fiance in my house, we both have 360s and share games all the time, so what will we have to do now? Buy 2 of everything?), and then the constantly being checked on. Register a game I install, that makes sense and I'm okay with it. But register it once. Or if you feel that I'm a big-time crook that pirates everything, then anytime I connect it online. But don't make me connect to check in. Don't render my hardware useless because you've got trust issues. I registered once and you have it on record….let me be. Now if I want to de-register it or sell it....then obviously I'd need to connect online to let MS know so they can alter their information accordingly. But that once a day thing just ain't fly with this white guy.
And I don't mind digital distribution, I just don't want it to be my only option.
I hope that if MS gets there way and the system really sells…..that they will actually begin getting steam-like sales and different distribution models out there this generation. Because if they don't push for that, then all this hoop-jumping and always on hoopla would have been for nothing.
Bolded is the problem. Validation check systems don't "feel" anything. It's the same for everyone, regardless. That's the fair way. If you could install a game, get it checked in online, then go offline and give it to a friend to use the disc, you can both play offline as much as you want, without consequence, for $60. That doesn't seem right to me.
Luckily, as the interview I posted above states - you can add any 10 people to be in your "family" to lend games to digitally. Just as long as you're both not playing the game at once.
They decided to be bold, and be leaders rather than releasing at most an iteration on the previous thing they released.
If this completely fails it will have a very small effect on Microsoft as a company. If it does well in the ways they intend it has amazing potential even outside of their entertainment division.
Microsoft is leading, and Sony released just another video game console with shinier graphics and more glowy bits to anglerfish their fans into buying it.
Microsoft is leading, and Sony released just another video game console with shinier graphics and more glowy bits to anglerfish their fans into buying it.
Yeah, I turned an animal into a verb.
Cool, I met up with an (type of) angler fish once. It didn't offer any console tips. True story. :)
Are you fucking kidding me? Taking away all ownership of your purchases and calling you a thief on a daily basis is innovation!?!??!? Holy fuck...I mean I said I wasn't going to comment in this thread again but that's got to be the biggest wank I've ever seen. Did you pull your arm out of the socket to give that reach around?!?!?!
Are you fucking kidding me? Taking away all ownership of your purchases and calling you a thief on a daily basis is innovation!?!??!? Holy fuck...I mean I said I wasn't going to comment in this thread again but that's got to be the biggest wank I've ever seen. Did you pull your arm out of the socket to give that reach around?!?!?!
Its your thread lol
Anyways, no that was not what I was referring to with the innovation comment. I don't think a few detracting parts make the entire console have zero innovation. I don't think when value gets added to my Xbox Live Gold on Xbox 360 that I should post a huge rant about how awful this is.
I buy consoles for games, Xbox One has exclusive games that I definitely want. It didn't have critical hardware issues on stage at E3 as PS4 did. I'm used to logging into an internet service to play games, because Steam. I love that I can go to another console and have all my games available to play right there. Its nice anyone who plays on my console has access to the features of Xbox Live Gold even if they have no account themselves. Its nice my family can share games with no hassle.
I don't like the 24 hour check in, but I have the ability to see value in other parts of the console. One portion of it that will likely never impact me doesn't blind me to the rest of the console and its games. I am not devastated that I have to play online multiplayer games using the Internet, just as I do now.
I am not everyone, and people have varying concerns and questions with how they spend their money. An informed decision is better than a snap judgement knee jerk any day in my book. People asking questions helps make an informed decision, and people raging about absolutely anything a console has or does... fall into another category.
I can see good points and bad points about both PS4 and Xbox One.
Why is everyone freaking out about this? Online verification is something I have dealt with for a few years now on my PC, and it really is not all that bad. It definitely does not prevent me from enjoying my games on Steam any less than on any other platform. Now people the last few hours have been trying to get me to roll over on this subject that I feel is not as apocalyptic as most people are making it to be. Cannot play games offline- Again avid Steam consumer here so nothing really new or all that scary even. To be honest most of us play our games online anyway, so what is the big deal? And if my internet goes out for any reason, most of the time in that event the power is off as well so I still cannot play my games. Can't buy used games- Last game I bought used was COD BLOPS 2 six months after release and I only saved 7.00 Gamestop has been gouging prices far too much and far too long, and to top it off I lost out on DLC I would have got if I bought the game new. Can't lend or bring to friends house- last time I did that was SNES and it was so I can SPLITSCREEN (remember that shit before the internet made it all better) on Mariocart.
Look the cheaper price point is about the only real selling point to me and to be honest one more time I would pay a extra 100.00 so I do not have to use that God awful controller. I am getting an "Xbone".
I would have got if I bought the game new. Can't lend or bring to friends house- last time I did that was SNES and it was so I can SPLITSCREEN (remember that shit before the internet made it all better) on Mariocart
If you go over to a friends house and log into his Xbone, all of your games are playable off of the cloud.
I would have got if I bought the game new. Can't lend or bring to friends house- last time I did that was SNES and it was so I can SPLITSCREEN (remember that shit before the internet made it all better) on Mariocart
If you go over to a friends house and log into his Xbone, all of your games are playable off of the cloud.
Plus, your saved games are there too.
The other two points were addressed earlier too - it can play used games and it can play offline in case of connection interruption.
The 24 hour check in is there of course, and as I've repeated over and over I still see no consumer value in it.
The hard drive installs enable quick switching instead of disc swapping. Mainly, a disc speeds up install compared to downloading the title.
This is the entire reason we are having this conversation - the quick game launching without a disc or having to take out / put anything in. Otherwise, they'd just use a disc check like the 360.
Random thought..but with digital day 1 and with the disc almost being useless anyways at this point in time..do you buy the disc or do you just buy digital?
A disc allows resale at a gamestop, but no details in if digital titles can have anything similar (but digitally).
A disc seemingly would speed up installing, but a game can be played while it installs anyways.
The real factor I suppose is exclusive pre-order or retailer bonuses. Physical items in a collectors edition too.
I'd be happy to save time and money through downloading and not driving to get a disc.
What happens when everything goes digital? (It will one day)
I'm surprised so many people have issues with it. Like everyone is walking around with a CD player in there pocket.
I don't see how digital will save you money, but good luck. More often sales on discs than digital, and you can resell discs.
Been saying this for a long time.
No, but most people today are walking around with a phone that can double as a media device, not a smart phone mind you. But a phone with a sim card, the SW on the phone can be a media player.
But wouldn't you just want a machine that only plays music?
Judging by iPhone versus iPod sales trends, people want one device rather than juggling 50 that do one specific thing only :)
A relevant and interesting post from HBO.
Don't fix what ain't broke and keep it simple.
It's off-putting to me and I have high-speed internet, a computer that's on 24/7 and always connected to the internet. I know that my PC will still function without it's internet connection. If it didn't....I wouldn't own the damn thing. Windows 7 works without requiring an internet connection 24/7. It only checks in that 1 time initially to register...then it leaves you alone. That's easy. Simple. What tech is supposed to be.
It's daring because they are actually challenging the intelligence of their consumer base, and have given no reason as to why this requirement is there other than "trust us...you need this because look it's a microsoft product and you want it because we say you want it. And you'll buy it because we know you will. And we will throw as much money at this problem as we can until it goes away because it's what we do. Remember RROD? I sure don't. Millions of consoles repaired and replaced? I don't know what you're talking about. INNOVATION!"
They aren't innovative by requiring you to check-in once every 24 hours. It's not innovative to have a device that ceases it's primary function because you don't meet (in most instances) a small requirement. My iPod doesn't quit playing music if the iTunes store crashes and burns. My car doesn't shut off if my air conditioning doesn't work 100% of the time. It still cranks and drives.
And requiring someone to check-in once every 24 hours isn't going to suddenly increase the quality of people's services or cause a great revolution for broadband internet. People have it.....or they don't. Just like it was when the original Xbox came out. It was only required to play online games. Not a requirment for the damn thing to play games in general. Sure people demanded more broadband and it happened. But people aren't asking for more hoops to jump through to play games. And they aren't asking to have their ownership of what they buy come into question.
I remember when I finally got Xbox Live and played Halo 2 for the first time online. It was amazing. Requiring broadband made sense for that. Requiring a check-in does not make any kind of sense in order for the damn device to play games. A lot of people play online, I'm one of those people. But I know that I have the option to not have to worry about internet connectivity with my 360 if I want to play Arkham Asylum offline. They are removing an option. To me an important option. The Xbox did not need internet to function. They designed the Xbone to require it for no real reason that they will share. Which to me says poor design with poor intent.
Microsoft isn't streaming the games to my hard drive. I install disc-based media from a disc. Streaming games is a neat option. But I don't want it to be my primary gaming option. If you have to bug me, register once then leave me the hell alone to play my game. I just want to play a game. Put a disc in and play. You know....simple. You've got my damn money, now leave me the hell alone to enjoy this temporary license I rented from you for however long you decide to let me keep it.
It is not innovative to restrict your consumers. It's back-asswards and old news. Making your consumer jump through hoops is not innovative. Technology is supposed to make things easier.
Restrictions ≠ Innovation
It would be like that, if you didn't have the full game installed to the drive without need for disc. Since you do, it stops people from installing the game and reselling it but keeping it for themselves as well. It's actually pretty simple. It's not there to screw you, it's there to stop publishers from being screwed.
If you can think of a way that disc games could be swapped on the fly without removing and inserting a new disc, and downloaded anywhere to any box under your tag, that didn't involve checking your game, I'm sure MS would love to hear your idea.
That part doesn't bother me. Im perfectly fine with developers and publishers making more green for their work. I realize that people would pirate the hell out of the games if there was an easy way to install a game and pass it off with no registration. The registration doesn't bother me. I play pc games. It's part of the beast. What bothers me is that, even after I register my game and all that legitimately....if the console itself doesn't log in once every 24 hours, I lose the ability to play the games I purchased, took the time to install, AND register. I don't see any reason to have to check-in, other than Microsoft really thinks I'm trying to steal it's stuff. I don't pirate games. Every PC game I own was either purchased through Steam, or at some brick & mortar retail store. I have no problems registering a game. But to make me check in even after that. To make it mandatory. I don't see value in that. I also see losing a little bit of value because I can't de-register and share the game with a friend temporarily.
If microsoft didn't require mandatory game installations, rendering the disc media useles....there wouldn't need to be any registration or online-check. Creating a problem that only they can solve. Let installing the game be an option. If you install, you need to register it with this code (only provided with a new copy). If you don't, then just play the game off of the disc. I don't care if the console keeps my save data loaded up and ready to play. I don't need it to do that. It's a cool feature, but I don't want it at the expense of my "freedoms". I don't see the mandatory need for game installations except to utilize a couple of different features....which I don't really care about. Taking time to install a console game is less time I'm playing said console game. I play console games when I don't feel like messing with my PC. They are supposed to be simpler. Put in a disc and play.
I could maybe....maybe be accepting of the 24 check-in if they would come out and say why it absolutely has to be online all the time other than "trust us it's gonna be cool." Forgive me for not being quite so trusting. I don't just go handing out my hard earned cash to someone because they say "trust me this is gonna be cool."
The Xbone has some awesome features. It's gonna have some great games. But like a few others have said on here....the console has no value to me whatsoever if it's going to essentially be just a bluray player and tv passthrough if I can't connect to the internet.
I know a lot of people don't see a problem with this, and that's cool. I'm just VERY uncomfortable and weary of handing over that much control of my gaming experience to a company. I much prefer the "sell me the product then get the hell out of my way" approach. You have my money, now leave me to my gaming. I know where the internet is if I want to be bombarded with ads and all that.
If I want online, I'll buy XBL Gold. If I don't, I think I should still be able to play games on the thing. But that's just me.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Microsoft has a true gaming utopia lined up for us where our gaming cocks get stroked and our nipples get pinched just right every time we are in it...and it will be beautiful. But I really really doubt that.
I like my options. And gaming shouldn't be treated like a temporary feature that you can ignore on a game console. It should be the primary focus. So to me restricting your consumer on how they can do that ultimately hurts their bottom line.
I feel like you understand the entire thing, you just innately don't like it. That's fine. But you understand why it has to be this way.
If there were this "code" in the case to install - then you could install the game and register it, then give the disc to someone else or sell it and they could play it offline. Therefore duplicating the game.
With Steam, it's all digital. There's no disc to give to someone else with the full game on it. It's a completely different animal. And with any PC games you have a one time use code that installs the game. It won't work without it. Therefore immediately making the disc useless, which is one step further than MS who will let you sell it to Gamestop or give it to one friend.
To the bolded part:
Sorry, MS can't read your mind. They don't know you from Adam. They can't say "well, Gatsu won't steal games, so he doesn't need to check in." Because anyone who wants to steal and is given the option, will. Regardless of your anecdotal situation, unfortunately you have to play to the human race as a whole.
I guess my real gripe with it is the loss of the freedom to share a game with a friend (hell I share games with my fiance in my house, we both have 360s and share games all the time, so what will we have to do now? Buy 2 of everything?), and then the constantly being checked on. Register a game I install, that makes sense and I'm okay with it. But register it once. Or if you feel that I'm a big-time crook that pirates everything, then anytime I connect it online. But don't make me connect to check in. Don't render my hardware useless because you've got trust issues. I registered once and you have it on record….let me be. Now if I want to de-register it or sell it....then obviously I'd need to connect online to let MS know so they can alter their information accordingly. But that once a day thing just ain't fly with this white guy.
And I don't mind digital distribution, I just don't want it to be my only option.
I hope that if MS gets there way and the system really sells…..that they will actually begin getting steam-like sales and different distribution models out there this generation. Because if they don't push for that, then all this hoop-jumping and always on hoopla would have been for nothing.
Bolded is the problem. Validation check systems don't "feel" anything. It's the same for everyone, regardless. That's the fair way. If you could install a game, get it checked in online, then go offline and give it to a friend to use the disc, you can both play offline as much as you want, without consequence, for $60. That doesn't seem right to me.
Luckily, as the interview I posted above states - you can add any 10 people to be in your "family" to lend games to digitally. Just as long as you're both not playing the game at once.
The All in ONE that's not for everyone. Interesting marketing.
And Deep.. I will be there!
They decided to be bold, and be leaders rather than releasing at most an iteration on the previous thing they released.
If this completely fails it will have a very small effect on Microsoft as a company. If it does well in the ways they intend it has amazing potential even outside of their entertainment division.
Microsoft is leading, and Sony released just another video game console with shinier graphics and more glowy bits to anglerfish their fans into buying it.
Yeah, I turned an animal into a verb.
Oh man. It gets better and better. lol!
It took me way too long to type that. I had to get the tears out of my eyes.
Are you fucking kidding me? Taking away all ownership of your purchases and calling you a thief on a daily basis is innovation!?!??!? Holy fuck...I mean I said I wasn't going to comment in this thread again but that's got to be the biggest wank I've ever seen. Did you pull your arm out of the socket to give that reach around?!?!?!
Its your thread lol
Anyways, no that was not what I was referring to with the innovation comment. I don't think a few detracting parts make the entire console have zero innovation. I don't think when value gets added to my Xbox Live Gold on Xbox 360 that I should post a huge rant about how awful this is.
I buy consoles for games, Xbox One has exclusive games that I definitely want. It didn't have critical hardware issues on stage at E3 as PS4 did. I'm used to logging into an internet service to play games, because Steam. I love that I can go to another console and have all my games available to play right there. Its nice anyone who plays on my console has access to the features of Xbox Live Gold even if they have no account themselves. Its nice my family can share games with no hassle.
I don't like the 24 hour check in, but I have the ability to see value in other parts of the console. One portion of it that will likely never impact me doesn't blind me to the rest of the console and its games. I am not devastated that I have to play online multiplayer games using the Internet, just as I do now.
I am not everyone, and people have varying concerns and questions with how they spend their money. An informed decision is better than a snap judgement knee jerk any day in my book. People asking questions helps make an informed decision, and people raging about absolutely anything a console has or does... fall into another category.
I can see good points and bad points about both PS4 and Xbox One.
If you go over to a friends house and log into his Xbone, all of your games are playable off of the cloud.
Plus, your saved games are there too.
The other two points were addressed earlier too - it can play used games and it can play offline in case of connection interruption.
The 24 hour check in is there of course, and as I've repeated over and over I still see no consumer value in it.
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1
And what, exactly, is that suppose to prove?